BiggerPockets

I watched another board I was a member of turn completely negative. It drove long time members away. In fact, it got so bad they wiped it and started over, of course without a few clever folks who were asked not to come back. That site still hasn't recovered.

This site has begun to shift, and I find myself leaving quickly.

JMO

Your absolutely correct, it is my choice. I felt compelled to create this vanilla post before I made a decision to find another forum. My feelings are there are going to be a lot of others like myself that won't want to partake in an increasingly negative environment.

I stopped using this forum for a good bit because of the drama. With my intense schedule I don't have time to sift though the drama post. I only wish to help when I can and learn when I can. This is still one of the better forums. Most moderators on other forums will delete the post not the thread and give a reason why they delete it. Mostly "Off Topic".

I guess you have to have the mentality to know that someone doesn't see things as you do. If you put your hand out to someone palm facing them they will tell you it's a hand but give you a complete different description of the hand than you see. The moderators just have to jump in a little sooner for off topic threads.

There were heated debates going on during the election process which is necessary for the "great experiment". However, I just assumed a lot of this nonsense was going to go away after the elections, when passions waned, but it did not.

I am glad to see that Josh is now cleaning up shop. It is good for the board.

Now, let's get back to talking about what we originally came here for and that is creating a financial freedom lifestyle.

That's what I'm all about, Matthew!

Hi Joshua,

I just wanted to congratulate you on the success of this site. I know it will continue to grow because it brings so many functionalities that other sites don't have. I love the layout and you've been so smart in the way you have rolled things out and improved functionality.

One of the many reasons people don't create blogs and forums is because of the massive undertaking it takes to monitor. Most don't realize how much work this all is and take it for granted. I don't know how you do everything you do but I'm completely impressed. I've occasionally seen obnoxious banter but nowhere near as ridiculous as I've seen in other forums I rarely or no longer frequent.

Joshua, please let us know how we can help you monitor or report bad behavior. I'm sure you fans can help you any way we can.

Hey folks…this resource is FREE and in my opinion much needed and very cool!!! Don't ruin it.

I shared Tim's sentiment:

"Ummm...ok. i just had lunch with another forumite today that I haven't always agreed with and we had a blast. "

I had a blast.

Anyone who gets too negative with an opposing view needs to look inward. Myself included. There is no ideology without flaws, They all have them. Opposing views are great. The only perfection is how perfectly imperfect every ideology is.

I forgot that one quote, it's a good one, and feels like it almost applies here:

"If I have a partner that I always agree with then I don't need a partner" Something along those lines.

As far as election drama. That's just fun. I am glad flipper got it going. I probably wouldn't have had lunch with Tim (with the opposing view) if flipper didn't start the fun. And I look forward to having lunch again.

Yes, now that the election is over it's back to crunching numbers and getting an acquisition rush instead of a drama rush.

But either way, self awareness is beneficial to practice for all.

I'm on board with Jim. There has been too much negative behavior and personal attacks, not just recently, and it has become overwhelming. I certainly hope that something permanant is done about it to prevent further occurances as the majority of people here are interested in giving/receiving positive and beneficial information without a few bad seeds interfering.
I am not sure this has happened yet, but will keep a positive hopefullness that it does.

While I am not sure if hugging, kissing and agree like children with self-esteem problems is the way to improve the chances of generating more wealth through real estate...........I am positive that passionate debate, with well thought out and respectful arguments, are the seed to new ideas that we can all learn and profit from.

WELL SAID!!! When you have passionate debate, sometimes things get a little heated. However, there is something that is INFINITELY WORSE that the occassional heated argument, and that is unbridled optimism and positive feedback. I have seem many real estate sites where a newbie would post a deal that was clearly a loser and then every poster would come on and congratulate then for "taking action" or "taking the first step" or some other equally irrelevant motivational nonsense.

Unfortunately, in the real world, having a bunch of people on the internet blow smoke up your skirt won't do one thing about the reality of the deal. You may feel warm and cuddled, but when the reality of huge financial losses becomes apparent, your feelings might change.

The truth is that the vast majority of newbies fail in any business. In addition, business is HARD and you won't be cuddled in the real world. I don't know about you, but instead of being patronized, I'd like to hear the truth even if it isn't always pleasant.

So, while it would be nice if everyone could join hands and sing happy songs, nothing could be worse for the new investor who truly wants to succeed. They need to see every side of the argument and without the sugar coating. To give them anything else is doing them a great disservice.

*If you ever experience what I call "forum frustration", simply keep in mind that there is nothing that takes place in a forum as tough as a bad tenant issue or a poor investment choice!

Again EXACTLY RIGHT! If you can't take a little conflict on the internet, there is absolutely no way that you can make it in business.

Finally, it always astounds me when people complain about something that they don't have to participate in. For example, people complained about the political threads, when the solution was to simply not read the political thread! Did you really think that there wouldn't be any conflict in a political thread???

Mike

As far as you know, MikeOH could be a transsexual prostitute living in New York City

Or not.

Mike