BiggerPockets

Should go in the political forum, but we need to make it clear that this is not about health "care" reform. It is about health care "insurance" reform. It's not about the care, it's about the money.

I agree its about money. Do you agree that only the rich can afford health insurance today? Do you agree that it adds to unemployment by driving big and small business owners out of the country or out of business?

This health care plan is an abomination to what we stand for as a country. Obama should be smacked across the face really really hard for even coming up with such an insidious and ridiculous plan.

I wish people who voted for him and those who support him realize that they have a foot in mouth disease and finally realize just how bad this guy is and will get.

Obama's health care hahahahahahaha what a @#$@#$ joke :roll:

Thanks Eddie I have noticed on this issue when facts and numbers are mention, they are in support of reform. When not they say something that has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Lawrence Moss

There you go disagree just to disagree. If Bush would have had the same plan and people spoke out against it they have been labled, un-american,communist, traders, oh yeah and against the troops.

Oh give me a break I disagree with this policy because it's a joke not because I want to disagree. If Bush,Clinton or any past president had the same policy I would have said the same thing.

Some people need a reality check to see what's going on in this country. Take the veil off people for crying out loud :roll:

Like I said no facts, no numbers. Do you think Obama being president is a joke? I got an idea lets leave it where is, jacked up.

Hey James should something be done or is everthing ok? Should we just disagree with president Obama or offer good ideas on a good idea?

There are two separate issues here: 1) health care reform, and 2) the current health care reform bill.

I'm definitely in the camp of "we need health care reform." I'm also in the camp of "the current bill is pretty bad."

As for why I think we need health care reform...health insurance companies shouldn't be making decisions on who lives and who dies (and of course, neither should government bureaucrats) -- only the doctors and the patients themselves should do that.

Unfortunately, that's not the way it works today:

- People like Sarah Palin are complaining that the current bill advocates "death panels." While this is clearly wrong (either she didn't read the bill or is just making things up), our current health care system already has something analogous to death panels -- the group of people at insurance companies who can overrule a doctor's recommendation on how to treat patients by choosing not to pay; they thereby condemn a patient to death by not paying for recommended treatments (presumably to save money for the company);

- About half of all people who are in biggest need (in terms of $$$) from their insurance companies get dropped by the companies due to technicalities. This means that if you run up huge insurance costs for your treatment, there is pretty much a 50% chance you're insurance company will figure out a way to drop you.

I'm all for a system where everyone is provided with at least a minimum standard for care, with people (like me) having the right to choose and pay for private care anytime I want.

This is the way it works for lots of stuff in this country (civil defense, municipal utilities, public transportation, broadcast TV, etc); I don't see people complaining that local police forces providing a standard of security are a socialistic concept...why is health care any different?

Originally posted by Lawrence Moss

Tim that is ok for one person what about a family of 4? With a house note, car note, insurance, gas, utlities,food.

If you've got a mortgage and a car loan how is it you can't afford health insurance? If you are carrying a house and vehicle debt that makes health insurance cost prohibitive, maybe you should be re-examining your priorities.

Yes, so how about a little tort reform in this bill? One big reason insurance costs keep going up and up is because the doctors have to cover themselves for malpractice suits. I'm with MikeOH. Euthanize the trial lawyers and problem solved!