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Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


It's interesting seeing the Guru so negative sounding towards central banking, 401s etc.... This was on the front page of yahoo finance.

http://finance.yahoo.com/expert/article/richricher/184720


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


I can point to old posts in a couple forums where people claimed Kiyosaki's predictions on real estate were wrong (both up and down), where his predictions on gold and silver were claimed to be wrong, where his predictions on commodities were claimed to be wrong, etc..... Despite every claim against him, he has been dead on right every single time he has made a prediction like this. I have a small financial ark finished while I work on the next one.

The plus side is that there's going to be some fast boom and busts in the interim to make your money on to weather this out.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Wow! I'm not much of a guru fan, but that was a very accurate, very well thought out assessment of our situation. If he would have just mentioned guns, ammo, food, and water, I would have given it an A+.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I also agree with this info. Plan for the worst and hope for the best. Add gold and silver to the food, water, and 6 months cash expenses. Then you might sleep better. I'm still looking to BUY BUY BUY and continue doing so, all the way down. I still think we've got 20% drop in MOST areas. You better buy at a tremendous discount. Banks still have lots of properties to unload and it will continue to depress prices until inventory is absorbed. Could EASILY be another couple years. Rich in FL.


Real Estate Investor · New Hope, Pennsylvania


Kiyosaki hits the nail on the head about the increased role of government in our economy. The cost of this will undoubtbly translate to a higher tax burden and less opportunity in the private sector. The fed and the administration are artificially inflating equities and prolonging economic pain through fiscal and monetary stimulus. However, the market has likely internalized some of this. I beleive the fear of total disaster has been priced in to equity prices. I also think that the 401k distributions is not a huge issue. Gen x/y will more than replace the void of the boomers, if, and this is a huge if, something can be done with Medicare and social security. These huge burdens could seriously crowd out the potential private investment over the next couple of generations. My 2 cents...


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


I'm pretty pessimistic about the stock market. I think the 401k/IRA issue is larger than you think, Jon. The ratio between retirees and workers is already pretty low. Workers are allowed to contribute only $15K into 401k's, $5K or so into IRAs. Many contribute much less or nothing. If a retiree is withdrawing even $50K a year, which isn't exactly living in style, it takes at least three workings making their maximum 401k contribution to make up for their withdrawals. Stocks are a product, just like any other. Demand drives price. Low demand, like we've seen recently, and prices drop. I believe much of the runup we've seen in the last 15-20 years is induced by the introduction of IRAs and 401ks. Not unlike the flood of cheap and easy money driving up housing prices. There's nothing looming that will create that sudden rise in demand again.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


I would add another factor that I see upcomming in the near future to the potential recovery woes.

As those older frogs are getting ready to leap to that lilly pad, in order to get the needed medical help to live a little longer, they are often required to sell most, if not all, of what they have to qualify (currently) for a lot of the needed assistance of the older years.

This will inturn mean that as the housing industry is ready to begin a decent recovery in a few years that there may be a flood of homes owned by those older frogs begin to hit the market, keeping the prices from recovering as some think they will when the banking forclosures are finally absorbed as these may begin to hit the market at that time.

As Rich said, it is still a time to BUY, BUY, BUY, but at a discount and may remain that way for a while as the baby boomers houses hit the market preventing the great predicted recovery as a lot of these were financed with the proceeds of 401's and IRA's.


Real Estate Investor · New Hope, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
I'm pretty pessimistic about the stock market. I think the 401k/IRA issue is larger than you think, Jon.


Jon, I think you may be overestimating the"pig in the python" of the boomers in pre-retirement. Given the downturn many will not be drawing down assets at a typical retirement age, i.e., most will be working longer. And even if the replacement rate drops of significantly, younger generations or much less reliant on a government pension than their predecessors, which means higher rates of contribution to retirement plans. But all of this is dwarfed by the real issue: the global economy. Growing wealth and capital, globally, will have am effect on equities much greater than a shifting of domestic demographics.

Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Jon G: What you may not be considering is that in order to pay for the health issue, the government will more than likely reduce the mandatory age of withdrawls in order to recoop the deferred taxes faster that were put into these 401k's and IRA's.

These mandatory withdrawls by the multitude of boomers will greatly overshadow the few workers that can (or choose to) utilize those plans (especially because of the economic downturn) which means for the foreseeable future the demand upon securities (stocks, bonds, ect.) from these plans will be much less that the supply of those same stocks, which will mean a much slower growth period for the market that we had seen in the past despite those who would utilize the retirement plans.

The robust economy of years past allowed much to be put into these plans which must be disbursed by law (different ages for different plans). The replacement of those few able workers will not and can not keep up with the required withdrawls of the masses of the bommers which have only just begun and will increase dramatically in the near future as the bulk of the boomers hit these ages.


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