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Contractor · Dana Point, California


It seems to me in California at least it is hard to get an agent to take offers very seriously. With all the DRE hoopla Negative articles being published everyone is afraid to get involved :roll:
Regardless how you explain it as just business as usual it always comes down to this.
Its not legal to do, my license is on the line.
or
We have our own negotiators and they are great.
or
I have to look out for my clients, you guys want it for 60%.
I know it's not illegal to do.
I also know their negotiators are just offer submitters.
Your clients are better off selling without a judgment,
and the banks think a short is worth fair market value.

Any thoughts or advice. Almost to the point of not even trying. These agents are beyond forward thinkers.


Developer · San Diego, California


I buy short sales all the time and buy them through agents. It's a VERY easy sell but I'm not trying to do anything funny.

We give offers with little or no contingencies, big deposits, no loan contingencies and usually something is wrong with the property.

I don't have enough info to help you. What I can tell you is a lot of people try to do things that are illegal and they don't realize it.

What are you proposing to the realtors?


Contractor · Dana Point, California


Hello Curtis and thank you.
Very simply in a nut shell I let them know I will come in with cash on the A-B. My contracts are written by a very high rate Real Estate Attorney who specializes in short sale transactions. I mention that we keep them with their client and use our agent on the B-C to keep conflict out of the equation. I offer them a full commission regardless of what the bank offers.
I require to be in charge of the negotiations with the lender. After signing all offers come to me.
Also I give the seller an out, if they find a buyer who will pay full price to satisfy their commitment I walk or if the lender demands a judgment against them if they want out I walk.


Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, Washington


It is hard to get "Old Dogs' to learn new tricks. Should you get an answer that works - you might want to send it to the National Association of Realtors so they can get their agents up to "Real World" speed.


Contractor · Dana Point, California


Too true Realtyman,
I had one agent call the DRE on me and they told them I am doing it right and you have nothing to worry about, as long as he does what he says.. They still are afraid, go figure...


Residential Real Estate Agent · Corona, California


I don't think it's the agents that need the explanation. I see many ridiculous offers coming in on my short sales (some $50K to $200K below market value)... I don't need an explanation... bank isn't interested.


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Cameron Novak
I don't think it's the agents that need the explanation. I see many ridiculous offers coming in on my short sales (some $50K to $200K below market value)... I don't need an explanation... bank isn't interested.

Do you present ALL of those offers or do you make the determination that the bank isn't interested on your own? Unfortunately, many agents do the latter...

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Contractor · Dana Point, California


Or they blame the owner, OH they would never go for that! What, they are in no position to be choosy they are lucky someone is even interested. The second part is I have found homes where they have not paid for close to two years and the bank has not even given a NOD so there is no rush. Free rent nice home...


Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, Washington


The bank has already received the down payment and years of payments. Many times the principal amount has already been received then they turn it over to the realtors who then try to list it at full current market value. No investor I know of will go for something like that. Realtor is just looking to get a higher commission - placing their needs and wants ahead of the Seller and Bank. It really is a shame. That is the biggest holdup to getting the backlog of homes sold. Eliminate the realtor in the middle and banks would be making deals left and right!


Contractor · Dana Point, California


That is what I am talking about... It is their sworn duty to the seller, hahhaaha. Who are they really working for the banks, themselves? They in my eyes don't even care or think about their clients... Just my thoughts, so how do we work with these agents????


Mobile Home Investor · Spanaway, Washington


Best way I have found to deal with the problem in the middle is to bypass them. By Law they are supposed to present all offers received. They do not do this and the check and balance is their own internal monitoring so no penalty will be charged to them. Call banks and ask to speak to the REO remarketing dept. Explain the situation that your offer is not getting through and would like to have some time to present your offer to them.


Contractor · Dana Point, California


Great solution so to find the lender would be a simple title search. Have you had good results doing that? Now being the owner has a contract with the agent, they would still get a check right! For not doing their job haha what the****. It amazes me that there is a business out there that you do everything in your power to not do your job and when someone finds a way to get it done without your blessing you still get paid.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


@Cameron:

I think everyone would appreciate a response to Josh's perfectly valid question!

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Contractor · Dana Point, California


I know I would like an answer...
Fair market value has VERY little to do with my offer price. In fact it should not even be considered except to find my offer price. I see it like this. Correct me if I am wrong. I want to buy a car, I see two exact same cars one has a clean title and nice mileage clean car for $5000. Kelly blue book justifies it. Then I see the same make year model with expired tags, maybe title problems a dent or two high miles leaks oil but they want the same fair market price as the first clean car. For me to even think about the second car I want a big discount on the gamble I will be able to clear title, repair the issues to make this a car I could maybe make a buck on. This is business it takes time to do and skill. Reward is justified, so a discount is needed and does not mean we are taken advantage of anyone or anything. We take a non preforming asset turning it into a preforming asset helping the economy and housing market and eventually home values in that area. I know I am preaching to the people who already know this. But we are still waiting for the answer.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


I wouldn't expect an answer Brian. People like Cameron come on posts and semi-flame and then usually just scuffle off into the night afterwards.

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Real Estate Agent · Anderson, South Carolina


Originally posted by Brian Colbert
My contracts are written by a very high rate Real Estate Attorney who specializes in short sale transactions.

Maybe that is some agents problem since E&O insurance often will only cover the agent if they use state board approved contracts. Or it may be company policy to only use state board approved contracts.

Or it could be the stigma attached to some short sale investors. Why not have letters of recommendation from agents that have worked with you in the past?


Real Estate Agent · Anderson, South Carolina


Originally posted by Bryan Hancock
I wouldn't expect an answer Brian. People like Cameron come on posts and semi-flame and then usually just scuffle off into the night afterwards.

And this reply would not be considered semi-flame? :wink:


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


It sure would. I tend to get testy when people come on and spam a bunch of nonsense and then won't respond to simple questions. Please see Cameron's response on my other thread for clarity on this matter.

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Residential Real Estate Agent · Corona, California


Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin
Originally posted by Cameron Novak
I don't think it's the agents that need the explanation. I see many ridiculous offers coming in on my short sales (some $50K to $200K below market value)... I don't need an explanation... bank isn't interested.

Do you present ALL of those offers or do you make the determination that the bank isn't interested on your own? Unfortunately, many agents do the latter...

An agent/broker's obligation is to his/her client. With that said, I present all offers to my client and advise what I feel is the best course of action. The client makes the final decision on which offer will be accepted and submitted to the bank for consideration. Although behind (or not) in payments to the bank, the client is still the owner and has the decision whether or not to accept any offer submitted (subject to bank short sale approval of course). After a bit of experience dealing with lien holders, appraisals, % of fair market value acceptable, etc... I can safely determine which offers the bank WILL NOT CONSIDER (mainly to internal guidelines).

I agree with Joshua that agents that do their own bidding without consulting their clients are doing a disservice to that client.


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


I removed several posts and edited others to remove the personal attacks. Please remember to keep it respectful, folks.

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