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Sue I.

Real Estate Investor
Denver, CO
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Hi Everyone!
This is a great site!!! I have been coaching some new investors over the last year and decided to start writing down the basics for they and others that I can share with in the future.
I have addressed some of my own frustrations as I learned the ropes but my experiences are of course different than what others have experienced.
I would love to hear what you found the most frustrating or what was your biggest road block to getting started in real estate.
Thanks for your insights!

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Joshua D.

BiggerPockets Founder
Denver, Colorado
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Hey Sue. I'm glad you like the site! Can you tell us about your experience in real estate prior to coaching? Perhaps you could introduce yourself in the new member introductions area . . .

As for the question at hand, my answer to frustrations would be Flaky people.

Sue I.

Real Estate Investor
Denver, CO
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Thanks Joshua!
I think Flakes are also at the top of my list! My business partner and I have found over and over that we continue to run into real estate people who are great with first impressions and get you charged with assuring you that they can do the job for you only to ride off into the sunset and not deliver, much less communicate that they can't do the job.
Makes us crazy!

Tim W.

Real Estate Investor
Indiana
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Hi Sue,
I would have to say my greatest frustration was that I deviated from my original strategy and got sucked into a local REIA where everything was based on chasing the fast buck. I had the greatest investor I knew personally at home, my own father, and ignored what he told me for 3 years while I ran around trying to make quick deals happen. It was 3 years of wheel spinning while he increased his portfolio by about 5 million dollars and another $30,000 in monthly rental income but it was my own fault. Lesson learned. I now do what he tells me to do and my success has slowly and steadily skyrocketed.

Tim

John C.

Real Estate Investor
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Dealing with bozos.

Not flakes but true bozos.

Flakes tend to be people who are naive or somehow over promise and under deliver.

Bozos to me are the folks who are out to do damage. It might be a tenant who is a professional at taking advantage of landlords. It might be other investors who are so full of crap they are a pain to deal with yet for some reason you need to put up with them. It could be folks who intentionally misrepresent what they can do even when you are pretty precise. They know they are making it up rather than just being naive as to what something really takes to complete.

It goes with the territory. RE investing is a field that people can get into without ever doing any formal training. Low barrier to enter. The field also provides enough income to those who are successful that people can switch careers.

Any field that has a low barrier to entry and high income will produce a high number of bozos.

What I like (not part of the question but still something I want to share).

There are many, many RE investors who are very willing to share what they know, what they do and otherwise help people. There are so many deals out there few are concerned about giving away the secrets. RE investing tends to be pretty supportive when you hang with honest people who are trying to do good deals. People who are self-made in many cases.

Sue I.

Real Estate Investor
Denver, CO
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64 posts

Thank you all for your insights. I agree with it all!
I do not charge anyone for my mentoring/coaching. It's a type of " pay it forward" philosophy I abide by. We're not in competition with each other and there's always enough to go around!
And REI, we are still smarting this week from a realtor we bailed out who wasn't able to give away a home for nearly a year (he was shortsaling). We auctioned the property and sent him two cash buyers in two days. We also coached him on using trusts to do pass through closings. Now talk about damage - here's a guy who now doesn't want to pay us our fee.
I could write a book on people like this!

John C.

Real Estate Investor
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Originally posted by "revinv"
Pay if forward.

Great idea Sue

That is why I contribute time here on BP.

On more than one occasion I was directly challenged about this. Some just can not believe people will give freely of their time as pay back. Their loss.

Similar to the concepts in the book, The Secret. The Law of Attraction says that quality people who are able to help will find each other and move forward.

I trust the principal works in reverse; bozos will tend to attract other bozos. That way they will keep each other busy and out of the way so the rest of use can get on with it.

Go get them Sue

Steve F.

Real Estate Investor
Carmichael, CA
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Ineptitude, dishonesty, and conflicts of interest.

I believe that the entitlement mentality looms large in cultures throughout the world. Now more than ever before, too many people think they should get healthcare, food, shelter and all of life’s conveniences whether they work for it or not.

The Federal Reserve can print a $100 bill for 3 cents. The difference between the value of 3 cents and $100 is an honor system. The difference in value is the trust that we place in one another that goods, work, ingenuity, creativity, or intelligence will be brought to the negotiation table. Which leads me to ineptitude. When people lose sight of the work ethic or the value of money, they thing of work as something that they are forced to do. All personal accountability goes out the window. I can’t tell you the number of times I have worked with contractors, brokers, people at city hall, ect. and if doing a good job takes 5 minutes, and doing a bad job takes 4 minutes and 59 seconds, they would rather do a bad job. If they have a choice between taking 10 minutes out of their day to help me, or 20 minutes out of their day to explain why they can’t help me, they would rather yammer on at the mouth for 20 minutes.

I like to deal with liars. It helps remind me of the tactics that they use so that I’m not duped when there is real money on the table. “Well if you don’t believe me, you can check with blah blah blah…” I don’t have to check, a habitually honest person would not protest that much. It’s sad but true, you really need to be a skeptic with every dollar that you spend because it seems that there is no shortage of people who try to sell you things that you don’t need, or simply skim your money out of a deal (like an insurance agent). Prospective tenants will tell all kinds of stories as to why they have 10 credit cards, all of which are run up to the limit, and none of which are current, or why they ended up getting evicted from their last apartment.

Do we have the cure for cancer? If we did, would pharmaceutical companies cover it up so they wouldn’t lose chemotherapy revenues? Everyone has heard that oil companies don’t want us to develop alternative sources of energy because of the astronomical amounts of revenue and profit that they stand to lose. Conflicts of interest present one of the biggest stumbling blocks to progress. The real estate agent who wants you to buy a property has a conflict of interest since they’ll get a commission. Many contractors get kickbacks from material suppliers for moving product. Insurance agents get commissions for premiums. The higher the premium, the more the agent makes. Financial planners get commissions for some of the products that they sell. This is more than a situation of buyer beware; it’s one of the biggest challenges you will have to face in business.

Nissean J.


St. Louis, MO
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Well guys I am starting out and my biggest fustration is being at the right place at the right time, being new and inexperianced and not knowing very many people in real estate, others have no use for me, which I can not blame. But I am going to keep on keeping on until an opportunity comes.

Edwin B.

Real Estate Coach
Jackson, Mississippi
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By far the greatest frustration for me was tying down all the loose ends on every deal. From finding a property to closing out a buyer or tenant there are a hundred little things that have to come together and no one is looking over your shoulder helping you figure it out. If any one of those things doesn't come together, you deal stalls until you can figure it out. Still working out the kinks 150 houses later.

Edward R.

Real Estate Investor
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That is totally brilliant Steve.
Well done.
I'm thinking about investing in the US market and am a bit scared.
If you or someone can advise, help, be my agent or whatever
please get in touch

Originally posted by "SacramentoSteve"
Ineptitude, dishonesty, and conflicts of interest.

I believe that the entitlement mentality looms large in cultures throughout the world. Now more than ever before, too many people think they should get healthcare, food, shelter and all of life’s conveniences whether they work for it or not.

The Federal Reserve can print a $100 bill for 3 cents. The difference between the value of 3 cents and $100 is an honor system. The difference in value is the trust that we place in one another that goods, work, ingenuity, creativity, or intelligence will be brought to the negotiation table. Which leads me to ineptitude. When people lose sight of the work ethic or the value of money, they thing of work as something that they are forced to do. All personal accountability goes out the window. I can’t tell you the number of times I have worked with contractors, brokers, people at city hall, ect. and if doing a good job takes 5 minutes, and doing a bad job takes 4 minutes and 59 seconds, they would rather do a bad job. If they have a choice between taking 10 minutes out of their day to help me, or 20 minutes out of their day to explain why they can’t help me, they would rather yammer on at the mouth for 20 minutes.

I like to deal with liars. It helps remind me of the tactics that they use so that I’m not duped when there is real money on the table. “Well if you don’t believe me, you can check with blah blah blah…” I don’t have to check, a habitually honest person would not protest that much. It’s sad but true, you really need to be a skeptic with every dollar that you spend because it seems that there is no shortage of people who try to sell you things that you don’t need, or simply skim your money out of a deal (like an insurance agent). Prospective tenants will tell all kinds of stories as to why they have 10 credit cards, all of which are run up to the limit, and none of which are current, or why they ended up getting evicted from their last apartment.

Do we have the cure for cancer? If we did, would pharmaceutical companies cover it up so they wouldn’t lose chemotherapy revenues? Everyone has heard that oil companies don’t want us to develop alternative sources of energy because of the astronomical amounts of revenue and profit that they stand to lose. Conflicts of interest present one of the biggest stumbling blocks to progress. The real estate agent who wants you to buy a property has a conflict of interest since they’ll get a commission. Many contractors get kickbacks from material suppliers for moving product. Insurance agents get commissions for premiums. The higher the premium, the more the agent makes. Financial planners get commissions for some of the products that they sell. This is more than a situation of buyer beware; it’s one of the biggest challenges you will have to face in business.

Chris P.

Real Estate Investor
Northfield, MA
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93 posts

Our biggest frustration in starting out is trying to determine what direction to go in. We are all over the map right now. I think once we do a bit more research we will make a decision and keep moving in one direction. We need to focus on one goal at a time, that is VERY difficult for us right now. The 2nd thing is dealing with negative people, we always hear the " horrar" stories...we ignore all them and maintain our focus.

Michael R.

Real Estate Investor
Chattanooga, Tennessee
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I would have to say my biggest frustration was dealing with sub-contractors when I was building my triplex. Especially, the ones that quoted low and then wanted to charge more, because it took them longer to do something. I understand sometimes legitimate unforeseeable events happen, but sometimes I think their problems are a result of poor planning.

If they are going to bid low to get the business from their competitors, they need to be prepared for the occasional unprofitable job. Otherwise, it makes it difficult for the investor to analyze which sub-contractor's quote to pick.

Alfred C.

Real Estate Investor
Bronx, NY
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My biggest fraustion is thinking that I am not going to make it. Every morning I look at my favortite car and tell myself if you are going to make it and you are going to be driving this soon, focus alfred.

Nc M.

Real Estate Investor
NC
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172 posts

My biggest frustration since starting out in the rental business are tenants.

I swear to you, get rid of all the tenants and this would be a wonderful business.

Eduardo F.

Real Estate Investor
Los Angeles, CA
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20 posts

My biggest frustration was feeling that I wasn't doing enough. I wanted to be at multiple places at the same time but physically couldn't. Then when you reach out to people that you believe could help, they never come through. I believe that this forum will help me find people that are dedicated to their craft. Just by being here we have taken a step in the right direction.

Vernon B.

Real Estate Investor
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21 posts

There are sooo many but I would say.

Contractors
Tenants
Competing Investors
Gurus who are out for a quick buck
Contractors
Learning
Negotiating
Juggling investing with Family
Contractors
Closing Deals
Local government
finding good deals
oh and contractors

You think you might be able to figure out what my biggest frustration was....? Grin

Alfred C.

Real Estate Investor
Bronx, NY
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41 posts

Originally posted by "fliprent"
There are sooo many but I would say.

Contractors
Tenants
Competing Investors
Gurus who are out for a quick buck
Contractors
Learning
Negotiating
Juggling investing with Family
Contractors
Closing Deals
Local government
finding good deals
oh and contractors

You think you might be able to figure out what my biggest frustration was....? Grin

That will go for me to. I am afaird of the deals not going thru and getting stuck with a property that makes no income.

Jason H.

Real Estate Coach
Oakton, VA
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980 posts

My biggest frustration was getting over my own mental blocks. This business is very mentally tough....anyone can do it, but most people will not get over the mental walls they create for themselves. That is why you have to read a lot of positive books.

Amy V.


AZ
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Thats an easy one. My biggest frustration in starting out is STARTING. I have not done it yet, really. I have become paralized over the fear of talking to people, of addressing my lifelong inadequacies and problems which need addressed so I CAN be successful.