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Residential Real Estate Agent · Long Beach, California


The past two weeks have only strengthened my resolve to end all investments in mutual funds and stocks to invest in solely real estate. I reviewed my investments last year, before the crisis, and my 10-year returns on my stock & mutual funds were dismal but all my real estate had done well. Even with the decline in RE values, they still cash flow.

Maybe all of you know that you can invest IRA money in real estate but just in case you don't here is what I know (and do):

You can rollover an old 401K or IRA into a "self-directed" IRA. I use a company called Sterling Trust out of Waco, TX but there are several companies that perform this function. It is possible for your IRA to get a loan but it's expensive and it really has to cash flow big tiime. However, you can use funds or combine funds with family members or accounts to buy properties outright. My fees are about $300 per year for two accounts.

What I love about it is that for my ROTH IRA, all the rent checks go back into my ROTH growing tax-free. The non-ROTH account accumulates as deferred taxes.

I am so sick of hearing that CEOs lied about the risk, lied about the debt, lied about the profit, cooked the books, etc. Unless there's a natural disaster, I know my rental units will keep bringing in income every month and by the time I retire, they will go up in value.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Agree. I've done some of the same, too.

I've used Sterling in the past, too, and have recommended them in previous posts. My last transaction, though, was a disaster, and I can no longer recommend them. They were very slow to process the paperwork, and messed up several times. For example, I faxed them a legal sized document which they printed on letter sized paper. That made the document unusable, but I didn't discover this until I received it back in the mail. Then, when the title person e-mailed them the document, and I called and asked, they said they would turn it around the same day. The title company provided a fedex airbill with early am delivery. It took them four days to send it back out.

I'm switching to an account with Guidant Financial. I know several people who use them and are happy. Expensive to set up, but you get a checkbook, allowing quick responses to deals.

Roth is an awesome alternative.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Commack, New York


One thing to note is that before converting your IRA to a self-directed IRA, it can first be converted from a traditional IRA to a ROTH IRA, so that all of the gains are tax free on retirement.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Pretty sure that conversion can be done in either order. You will have to pay taxes, and for now, there are AGI limits on making this conversion. Its my understanding these AGI limits go away in 2010, and anyone can convert.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Residential Real Estate Agent · Long Beach, California


John,
I just called Guidant Financial to check out their services and fees. For me, I only have one property in my IRA so those fees are way too high at $3000-5000 for set up.

I've been disappointed with Sterling Trust recently but it only cost me about $500 to set up for my initial purchase and $300 per year to maintain 2 accounts.

I have only found one lender who will do a non-recourse loan and their interest rate is really high. Do you know of many?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Shari,

I use Equity Trust Company (www.trustetc.com) and they have been great. I have yet to run into a problem such as Jon mentioned. They also have additional services in which you can "rush" the direction of investment & pay minor additional fees for the rush.

As far as Guidant Financial Services, they are expenseive, simply because an additional step must be taken to set up the checkbook access which requires an LLC to be formed. The good thing is that there are no ongoing mobthly or annual fees.
Go to my website and click on the link on the right which will take you directly to Guidant.

As far as non recourse loans, the best I have found is NASB (North American Savings Bank). My direct lender can also assist you as well. PM me if you want his info.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Residential Real Estate Agent · Long Beach, California


Hi WIll,
I just called Equity Trust and they are very competitive with Sterling Trust. I may transfer it before my next purchase.
Thanks.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


No problem.
That is why we are all here!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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