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Forums » Rehabbing and House Flipping » Seller wont let me put the house under contract.

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Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


I have a number of houses that a seller is looking to sell. I was trying to whole sale one of them, but they will not allow me put it under contract so I could present them to my buyers. I am afraid to show the home to buyers and present them with all the information. I am afraid they will go around me. I think it is time for me to walk away. Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?
LeJonR


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


I was hoping that there would be others who would have replied by now.

If it is possible, get the seller to sign a document similar to a NCND which simply gives you permission to show his homes and if they go on to purchase one of them then he owes you XXX.

This gets you very close to acting as a realator, so check your local laws in this area.

Then just have everyone that you show the homes to sign a document that you showed them the homes. And if anyone of them buys then you are set.

These are thoughts off the top of my head and I do not know about the leaglity or illegality of them so I hope others chime in and pick my ideas apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


Will they allow you put the one under a two week option with their being able to bring a contract sooner if you don't?

This way if you don't get it under contract in that time period they have lost nothing... and you gain the protection you need.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Why won't the seller allow you to put it under contract?

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


Jawsette, i thought of that idea but was not sure if my buyers would fill comfortable doing so.

Peter no they simply told me who ever has the cash in escrow first has the home, they said the contract means nothing, I imagine they have a clause in their contract stating this,

Justin they said the contract means nothing if they come across a cash buyer before me . i don't know if this makes a difference but some of the homes still have taxes owed.

I might go Jawsetts route, any more ideas would be more then welcome.
LeJonR


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Someone is just pulling your chain here.

All contracts mean something!!!!

This is sounding like someone that you do not want to deal with. Since even when they give you their word on a contract they say it means nothing.

That tells me that you can not trust their word at all.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


LeJon-

Post the property details. What kind of contract are you using?

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Am I correct in assuming that you want the seller to accept a contract that legally binds him to sell the property to you but which in turn you can back out of and get your earnest money returned if you are unable to find a buyer? If so, we must look at the situation from the seller's perspective; why would it be in the seller's interest to tie up his property when the purchaser would close only if he can sell the property to someone else for a higher price?
We deal in an environment in the real estate industry in this country in which the "standard" residential property sale contract greatly favors the buyer. This is a result of realtors who want the easiest way to get the most offers on their listings. The NAR has influenced state real estate boards so that the boards are concerned with the "rights" of buyers almost to the exclusion of fair play for sellers. Almost all residential contracts are in reality a "free" option for the buyer. Specific performance is near impossible to enforce, liquidated damages require court action even when situation is clear cut. When a seller decides to protect himself and ask for a "serious" buyer commitment, such as non refundable earnest money, the response of the real estate community is that he is unreasonable.
As a direct buyer and as a general partner of 2 private real estate investment funds I have purchased over 200 properties, and sold 50+. Sophisticated sellers, such as banks, REITs, institutions, have developed methods of seperating "real" buyers from those that will only close if a laundry list of unlikely events occurs, i.e., 100% financing, sale to a third party, etc.
As a result, it will become harder and harder to do the proverbial "nothing down" deal. Proof of funds letters, from anyone other than a major lender, are no longer regarded seriously. This all makes it easier (less competition) for the well financed players. However, in truth, I will miss the stories of the people who were able to pull off deals with nothing except their guts and experience. In a way it is the ability to start with absolutely nothing and still be successful in the real estate arena that has made this business special.


Real Estate Investor · Dayton, Ohio


i thought of that idea but was not sure if my buyers would fill comfortable doing so.

The only way to find out is to try. If they are your buyers and have worked with you before then there shouldn't be too much hassle. If they haven't worked with you before you have to present it to them just like it's every day business for you. When you are confident and present it as such there shouldn't be any problem.

Hope this helps a little.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Ohio


LeJon jawsette's idea is a violation of of the law in Ohio. You would be performing an act regulated by the State of Ohio.


Real Estate Investor · Dayton, Ohio


Well I guess I should have thoroughly read what she said, yes that is illegal. You would be acting as a Realtor.


Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


Thanks for everyones respond. These homes seem to be bought by some one in bulk and now they are trying to liquidate on them fast. Looks like I will have to walk away, if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. Or if some one would like to partner and know of legal creative way to get this donem, I would also be up for that.
LeJonR


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


has anyone heard of a Flex Option Contract?

It allows you to perform your duties to find an end buyer and collect an assignment while still allowing the homeowner to market the property themselves.

If the homeowner sells the property before you find an end buyer, you're out of luck, should have done better, BUT......if you find an end buyer, you collect an assignment fee and the seller still has the same end result.

I'm very surprised no one has brought that up.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Originally posted by Jim Gordon
LeJon jawsette's idea is a violation of of the law in Ohio. You would be performing an act regulated by the State of Ohio.


Not according to the CA case of the old grey fox, which was setteld in FED court. But I do know that it does require certain full disclosures given to both parties involved that you are not acting on their behalf, but only on your behalf to be in these contracts.

That is why I specified to go to the proper legal authorities as even if your case is proven legit, it will still probably cost you more to defend yourself from those who feel it was not legal.

And yes, I do know that there are states that regulate even that, so the same response was needed.

But there are states where it is perfectly legal. It all depends upon the situation.

PS... I do like Nick's suggestion best, a whole lot better than mine!!!!!!!!!!

Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


Nick I will contact the seller today and consult this with him. Thanks for the advice.
LeJonR


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by LeJon Ratchford
... These homes seem to be bought by some one in bulk and now they are trying to liquidate on them fast. ...
LeJonR


One thing that hasn't come up is: maybe the "seller" CAN'T put it under contract, because they are not the owner. The "bulk REO" stuff often has title transfer by "quit claim", and often also has various intermediaries who attempt to sell the properties.

Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


Steve what you say may be true, they informed me of the price of the home along with a 6% fee on top of the asking price, but they did say I could put it under contract but if they find a buyer first as Nick said, better luck next time.
LeJonR


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


LeJon,

Based on that 6% and that you did not call the seller a realtor, then this is almost certain to be bulk REO. You should read through the BP bulk REO forum posts to get a taste of how this might turn out.


Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


Yes they informed they are asset mangers who work for a investor. This opens up a new door, I plan to contact my Reo buyer contact, today. I will continue to try and work with whole selling individual homes also. I will read threw the forum later about Reo's thanks.
LeJonR


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


If they're up to a 6% fee, there must be layers on layers of intermediaries, each wanting to take a cut.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


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