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Real Estate Investor · Raleigh, North Carolina


Hello Everyone,

I would like to hear from the new to seasoned investor about the rehab pitfalls you have run into. That One thing you wish you had of known before you started or that "A-HA" moment. Things that would have saved you time or money.

Try to keep it short but informative, I hope everyone learns something. Thank you

Chris Sills


Real Estate Investor · Raleigh, North Carolina


Plumbing/Home on a Slab

It was something I hadn't even thought about. But check, double, then triple check your plumbing when you are working with a property on a slab.

I was lucky enough not to have a problem but I had some plumbing issues on my last property and the closer we followed the problems to the foundation the more I could picture the jack hammers and checks coming out to get at the pipes cemented in.

I will be watching out for this in the future.


Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Three things to keep in mind:

1. It will cost more than you think
2. It will take longer than you expect
3. It won't sell for as much as you hope

Rehabbers by nature tend to be optimistic. Keep those things in mind and be conservative in your assumptions. If you are wrong and it is cheaper, goes faster, and sells for more it's just more money in your pocket. If things go the other way it can be a financial disaster.

:cool:


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


When dealing with contractors, the first time they don't show up when they promise (and don't call), fire them with no second chances.

Likewise, if a contractor schedules a time to give you a bid and doesn't show up on time without calling, don't waste your time.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Rehabber · St. Louis, Missouri


Plan on "touching" every surface. That ceiling that didn't need painting now looks like crap after surrounding it with new lighting, freshly painted walls and a nice hardwood floor. The bathroom tile on the walls wasn't that out of date until you replace the tub, fixtures and vanity. etc.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Don't forget about the little things like faceplate covers, new light fixtures, new door hardware, new electrical outlets to replace faulty outlets, etc. These are small amounts for each, but they all add up to a surprising sum when you are all done.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by nationwidepi
Don't forget about the little things like faceplate covers, new light fixtures, new door hardware, new electrical outlets to replace faulty outlets, etc. These are small amounts for each, but they all add up to a surprising sum when you are all done.


Great reminder, Will!

And these are the things that really make your place look clean, bright and new...

I always budget $500 for new outlets, outlet covers, switches, switch-plates, HVAC registers/returns, doorknobs, doorstops and mini-blinds.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Real Estate Investor · North Carolina


It's nice to have trusted back-up trades-people to call when your primary guys either a) start overcharging (inevitable), or b) self-destruct (also sadly usually inevitable).


Real Estate Investor · Raleigh, North Carolina


Originally posted by nationwidepi
Don't forget about the little things like faceplate covers, new light fixtures, new door hardware, new electrical outlets to replace faulty outlets, etc. These are small amounts for each, but they all add up to a surprising sum when you are all done.


Will you were dead on with that one! It's the "little things" that add up.

Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Do your own due diligence.

I had a homeowner tell me the HVAC was shot and has been off for 3 years. He boarded up the windows and put in 3 window AC units and sectioned off half the house. He told me he was quoted $6700 for replacement.

I called my HVAC guy to take a look. He changed the thermostat and refilled the freon. 30 minutes later I had AC.

Cost me $187 which I thought was a little high. :)

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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by wheelhouse

I had a homeowner tell me the HVAC was shot and has been off for 3 years. He boarded up the windows and put in 3 window AC units and sectioned off half the house. He told me he was quoted $6700 for replacement.

I called my HVAC guy to take a look. He changed the thermostat and refilled the freon. 30 minutes later I had AC.


Not to derail the thread, but I had the same thing happen in one of my houses. The previous owner spent $8K on a combo A/C and heat pump, but the thermostat was an older model that didn't support the heat pump. According to the neighbor, he apparently never used the system, thinking it didn't work and that he was ripped off for the $8K.

A new $30 thermostat solved the problem...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Real Estate Investor · Southern CT, Connecticut


I'd say the best piece of advise i can give anyone is to do research of various aspect of construction/remodeling, so you know the terms and lingo. GC's are very very smart people when it comes to capitalizing on things like this. if they get the slightest idea you have no idea of what it takes to retile the bathroom, change the furnace etc they'll make every little thing seem like the end of the world which in turn will result in stress and you losing control of your rehab. You don't need to get a construction management degree; but just know enough about the various elements of the rehab so you can speak in the same terms as the folks you'll be hiring! it'll save you money, guaranteed.


Real Estate Investor · Reston, Virginia


Get at least several bids from contractors. I have seen bids from GC that varied from $20k to $45k for the same job!

I cannot speak for other people but that was what I experienced!


Real Estate Investor · Savage, Minnesota


Pitfall 1: Hire a thorough inspector to go through the place after you've rehabbed it to give you an idea of what a buyer's inspector is going to find. Try to repair as many of the findings as possible to minimize the "red flags" to potential buyers. Inspectors flag the goofiest things (i.e. bird nest in attic is a health hazard, etc.) that can absolutely kill a deal especially with a first-time homebuyer.

Pitfall 2: Don't ever tear into a wall or ceiling unless you absolutely have to. Use paint, tile, texture, whatever to make walls look nicer, tear them down as last resort. All these flipping shows love to tape people with sledge hammers ripping walls down. Usually it's not necessary and has the potential to expose a lot of problems that would have been out of sight/out of mind had the wall never been opened up. I tore a wall down in one of my rentals to learn that I now had to bring the entire room up to code, meaning new arc-fault breaker, new 3 wire romex everywhere back to the breaker box, additional outlets to reduce spacing between outlets, wired in smoke alarms, etc. What I thought would be a small wall project exploded into a huge electrical project due to code. Know your code before starting any major rehab!

Pitfall 3: rent a large roll-on dumpster and get it as close to a door or window as possible before you start rehab. This will save tons of time walking back and forth and keeps the place as clean as possible during the rehab. I made the mistake of "saving money" by not getting a dumpster a couple of times and I assure you that you will pay for it in the end with labor and dumping costs.

Pitfall 4: Do NOT let a realtor or anyone else associated with selling retail properties look at the place before the rehab is at least 95% finished. For some reason, Realtors just cannot imagine what a place will look like when it's finished. Don't try to get a market value estimate until it's finished, because it will almost certainly come in low. I made this mistake and just wasted my time along with the realtor's. I got an estimated value 20% after rehab being finished than I did during the rehab (even assuming that it would be finished to retail quality). The property then sold in 3 days for this higher value.

Pitfall 5: Reuse cabinets whenever possible, but do not paint them by hand with a brush or roller (this takes forever to get everything inside the cabinets painted.... days....). Spray them with a professional quality paint gun (or hire someone else to do it). You can paint cabinets white inside and out with 2 coats with just a couple hours of labor. This can save thousands of dollars vs. buying new cabinets and can actually look pretty good depending on the price of neighborhood your selling in.

Pitfall 6: Do not ever buy cheap paint. Cheap paint is very expensive in the long run. You will use more of it, be forced to put on multiple coats (as many as 4) and end up with crappy paint on the walls. Buy the good stuff right away and put 1 coat on if possible. I like the Behr stuff with primer in it. Works pretty well with 1 coat.

Pitfall 7: Don't install carpet until just before the first open house. Keeps it clean and new carpet smell is great for showings

Pitfall 8: Whenever possible, keep the baseboard trim, label them so you can remember where they go, paint them and reinstall with a pneumatic brad nailer. Trim can be expensive and usually painted trim looks pretty good. Also, the old trim is already cut to length for you so it reduces labor. Paint with a professional-grade air system.

Pitfall 9: Do not try to laminate over the counter top or the cabinets. Buy a new countertop that looks like granite they are very cheap ($200) and look quite nice. They are also very easy to install. Don't laminate cabinets, just paint them or replace them.

Pitfall 10: Don't do mudding/taping of sheetrock yourself. This can be very time-consuming and is not fun. A professional can do it 5 times faster and 5 times better for $10-$20/hr. Go live life and let a skilled professional do the dirty work.

Wow, I didn't realize I had made that many mistakes, yikes! That just means I have less to make in the future. If this saves someone else from making a mistake, then mission accomplished. Good thread!

-Jaden


Real Estate Investor · Kalispell, Montana


I coulda, shoulda and woulda started doing this a year earlier :)


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Nice post Jayden.

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Real Estate Investor · Lake Worth, Florida


The only other thing I can add is to get the date codes for the HVAC systems off the web and budget for repair or service if it's close to 10 years old and budget for replacement if it's 15 years old.

Excellent info from the others in this thread.


Real Estate Investor · Raleigh, North Carolina


Great info from everyone. Thank you guys for sharing your experience.


Real Estate Investor · Belvidere, Illinois


The biggest issue I have to remember, and remind my partner of when we rehab, is that we are not going to live in the house, and we only need to do and spend what is necessary to maximize our profit and to sell the house quickly. On our first rehab, I went back and forth on whether or not to replace all of the windows, which were in bad shape but still functional. I got quotes, and they would have cost about $6K installed, and would have raised the sale price from $80K to $86K to maintain my profit. I went with offering the lower sales point with as-is windows, and sold the house in a week. The buyer didn't have a problem with the windows and was more interested in getting the much lower price. Also, $80K was his price threshold, so he wouldn't have been a buyer at $86K. So my first big lesson was make the house look as nice as you can and repair or replace if needed, but it's more important to offer a great deal.


Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, Arkansas


First 30 minuets and found a place I might be able to contribute.
1.Stick to the budget.
2. Stick to the budget.
3. Stick to the budget.
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