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Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


For those who do not know me, I have been predominantly focusing on rehab flips for the past 2 years here in my own backyard (Southern CA). In that time, I have been very successful and chose to make this my focus because fo the market conditions here: Abundance of buyers, affordability level of homes, lack of inventory, and abundance of REO properties at great discounts (if you know how to find them and get them before others).

I prided myself on hitting large profit margins, usually $50k or more per flip net before income taxes, but on occassion, could take smaller margins due to the almost guaranteed fact the home would sell instantly and for full price. Knowing this fact was derived from my knowledge of the market conditions.

Today, times are changing. Inventory levels are increasing, buyers are decreasing, and the tax credits form both the feds and the state (CA) are gone. Please keep in mind this info is based ONLY on SO CAL and does not necessarrily reflect other areas and states in the country.

What does this mean to me and other investors like me? Well for one, we can no longer take the tighter profit margins as we may not find buyers right away, we may have to deal with buyers requests for repairs, we may have to give closing costs, etc. etc. Keeping with the higher margins will allow us to have a back-up for these potential additional costs to sell/holding costs and keep us from getting into the red on any one flip.

Does anybody else have similar market condition changes in your local markets? I am quite sure that the federal tax credit going away has affected most of the buyers markets in the country.

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SFR Investor · Orange County, California


Originally posted by nationwidepi
I am quite sure that the federal tax credit going away has affected most of the buyers markets in the country.

Perhaps, but I also think the affect is short-term. In the last couple of months of the tax credit, purchasing was up, which no doubt caused prices to rise by a small degree. No problem for the buyers since they were getting an $8,000 boost from Uncle Sam.

Now the credit is gone, the frenzy is over, so prices are probably going to correct down, maybe by the same amount the tax credit drove them up. No problem again. Like someone here said, there is a price at which any home will sell.

What I believe we'll see now is the "mix" of buyers, which shifted positively towards "first time" retail home buyers during the tax credit, change back to more investors and multiple home buyers (those who had to sit on the sidelines while they couldn't cash in on the tax credit), who are going to enjoy the reduction in price once again.

I'm already seeing prices on homes in South Orange County I couldn't have believed even last year.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Honestly I think that the craziness of appraisers has affected financing the most. The bank's underwriters are hard enough to please without the appraisers coming in 10% below true market value because they are trying to be "conservative."

The tax credit cannibalized some of this year's buyers from what we have seen. The greater Austin area is generally doing pretty well compared with the rest of the country from what I have seen. Kali's mass exodus due to rampant taxation and poor government is benefiting Texas in a big way and will likely continue to do so as their homeowners free the albatross house around their neck and move to greener economic pastures.

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Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


RE sales are cyclical, last month more contracts were signed than any preceeding month for the year and the tax credit was died, so the tax credit certainly fueld the up surge, but all is not lost. Closings will probably be down Jul, Aug and creep up in Sept Oct., as they usually do. We will see. Bill


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


AZ has definitely slowed down compared to a couple of months back and prices are a bit lower. The only silver lining in all this is that you are more likely to get the appraisal for contract price because contract prices have declined compared to the last few months.


Real Estate Investor · Bradenton, Florida


We have had more "appraisal" and "closing terms" issues since the credit went away - one recent example was a roof replacement required in order to close; the buyer just felt they could get away with it even though the roof showed no signs of leaks etc.

We have started to look at ways we can market our properties to attract
"conventional" buyers to avoid some of the double appraisal and other restrictive rules placed on those who dont have cash to put down. It is definately an interesting time to be an investor!
Greg


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Where I play (<$100K east of Dallas) sales activity is down, but leasing is pretty strong.

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Real Estate Investor · Hoboken, New Jersey


I work in the SW Florida and northern NJ markets. Sales are dramatically down in both in July. It's 99% due to the Tax Credit expiration I think.

Sales are still strong actually but we were spoiled from January through June.


Real Estate Investor · Colorado Springs, Colorado


I read an interesting article on Yahoo Finance a couple of days ago. Bottom line is that renters are expected to increase by 10 mil by 2015 (nationwide). Some other good stats in there as well - check it out. Those of us who are buying rehab properties and renting them out should be well positioned... and hopefully we will keep pace with inflation when it hits.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Great responses in here, thanks to all contributors.
I wanted to point out that the market (at least here in So CAL) has changed and investors should be aware of it. Regardless of the actual; reason or reasons, the key element is that it has changed and you need to make the necessary adjustments as a flipper to protect yourself.

I still believe that the tax credit expiration had a large adverse affect on the pool of buyers, regardless of other figures posted by others. Sales are generally slower in July & Aug, and do pick up again in Sept, that is common and has been for many years.

As a flipper, just make sure to calculate a longer hold time, be a tad more conservative on your ARV (exit price), and be prepared to have to offer more concessions to buyers.

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Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Originally posted by nationwidepi
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I still believe that the tax credit expiration had a large adverse affect on the pool of buyers, regardless of other figures posted by others. ....


I have to agree with Will here.

Not only that, but the tax credit had a large adverse affect on the pool of renters that are remaining renters - since many of the better renters became first-time buyers with the tax credit.


Real Estate Investor · Montgomery County, Maryland


We are finding that with the lower end townhouses (under $250,000) that the buyers are all requesting closing credits of about $5000. It seems to be starting to be the norm around here.

Jim


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Jim S
We are finding that with the lower end townhouses (under $250,000) that the buyers are all requesting closing credits of about $5000. It seems to be starting to be the norm around here.

Jim
I am seeing that all the way on the other coast here in CA Jim, although they are asking for more here. Usually 3% of purchase price as a credit to buyers closing costs. This is a condition we must be aware of and calculate these concessions in our estimates prior to acquisition.

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Real Estate Investor · Little Rock, Arkansas


Originally posted by nationwidepi
Originally posted by Jim S
We are finding that with the lower end townhouses (under $250,000) that the buyers are all requesting closing credits of about $5000. It seems to be starting to be the norm around here.

Jim
I am seeing that all the way on the other coast here in CA Jim, although they are asking for more here. Usually 3% of purchase price as a credit to buyers closing costs. This is a condition we must be aware of and calculate these concessions in our estimates prior to acquisition.



I have just jumped back in after watching what may come with the tax credit. I think before it expired, there was a lot of OO activity between owners and banks; at least here in little Rock. After 4 offers in the past couple of weeks, I am beginning to think the banks have not adjusted their thinking to accept my type of offers. My calculations include 3% to the buyer and only 65% ARV. I read somewhere that a fellow investor made 5 offers before one hit on an average. Glad to know I may only have one more offer to go.
Don

Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Don,
Your offer strategy is certainly a viable one, but may I suggest you work harder on developing relationships with TOP REO brokers and list agents, and get into deals BEFORE they hit the market, thus reducing your competition and improving your offer acceptance artio.

I personally get over 75% of my offers accepted and do not have to make 5, 10, or 20 low ball offers in hopes to get one accepted. I do this through the strong relationships I build.

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Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Great point Will. I use to go to the banks with the offer of taking them at book value they day the get them, with rehab costs considered. It at least got me to the top of the call list! They were also "quality banks" I knew the loan officers and knew they did not take junk to begin with, so the only real down side was that a house would need extensive repairs.

Better yet, as I have said before, make friends with loan officers. They know who is behind and they will have their borrowers call someone for help if it is at all possible. So, with that, you get the pre-foreclosure, perhaps a short sale, but at least less than at the court house steps.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Bump and update.
It is now very prevalent that market conditions have adversely changed. The buyers pool has dwindled down and number of home sales are down. Fewer pendings, more cancelled escrows, buyers asking for all repairs, more buyer credits, etc. and our hold times as rehabbers are up. Just keep this in mind.

To make matters worse, spreads are lower and profit margins tighter. The days of 70%-74% of market value (at least here in So CAL) are gone, other than a lucky homerun so you must make up for it with quantity. We have to eat so sitting on the sidelines is not the answer as far as I am concerned.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Multi-family Investor · Rochester, New York


Awesome, as a buy holder I look forward to a buyers market :D


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by Mark Claire Updegraff
Awesome, as a buy holder I look forward to a buyers market :D
Look no further, you are in one! Interest rates are at record lows, and while investory levels are not huge, they are climbing and sellers are having to give more and more in concessions and price drops to get things sold.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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