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Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


I have been flipping properties for a while now but have stayed away from fix and flips. However, I have come across some properties recently at a good price that I think would only need about 10k to 15k worth of work to really boost the value. Because I am just entering that side of the industry, I was hoping some of you could help me. I would love to here some red flags that pop up when you are deciding if a property would be a good flip and fix or not.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


First, you've got to have enough margin in the deal to make it work. The rule of thumb is 70%. That is, fix plus rehab should be under 70% of the price you will sell it for. That's typically quoted (even by me) and 70% of ARV, but in this case ARV really means what you can sell for. That rule of thumb assumes you're using hard money, you will hold for six months (close to close) and you'll sell with an agent.

If you're an agent, you'll collect some of the commission on both the purchase and the sale and that might affect your math. Really shouldn't, because you're earning that money with the agent work.

If you have your own cash, that might affect your math, too. Again, IMHO, it should not because you're really acting as your own lender, and you should keep your lender hat on when putting in the money.

Nevertheless, if you can play those two roles, fix and flips can be much more profitable.

The property has to have enough work to justify the new price. An appraiser is going to need to justify the new, higher price. That's pretty easy to do if you gutted it to the studs and redid everything. Much tougher with a new coat of paint and new carpets.

Be SURE about your new valuation. This is VERY hard. If you're in a neighborhood of cookie cutter houses and there are plenty of sales, you can find solid comps. If there is a lot of variation or there are few sales, it can be much harder to comp. Assume the appraiser on the sale will use the lowest comps they can find. That way you can be pleasantly surprised if the discard the dregs and pick higher ones.

Be aware of permitting issues. As soon as you start touching stuff, old problems become your problems. Find out what requires permits and what doesn't. If permits are needed, get them. If licensed contractors are required, verify licenses. Call the city or county and verify licenses.

You can see my recent an ongoing disaster here.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, Indiana


I agree with Jon...

I have just jumped back into the fix and retail flip model and we are using 65-70% of the ARV minus repairs if its above $150k arv. If its below the $150k mark we are taking out quiet cost, renovations, and a NET profit of $30k. I'm working on putting two deals together now, one that is below $150k ($140k ARV) needs $55k in renovation, the other has an ARV of $325k needs $150k in renovation. I'm getting them both very cheap so the potential profit is very good.

I would just say study the MLS closely and make sure you feel confident about the end sale price, and what the market is doing, right now... Good luck

Just something I will add... I'm my opinion its not enough, in most cases, to just bring the house up to "average" neighborhood standards. In order to sell in this market its important to make your home stand out. I also think staging is important in this market, to help showcase a home. In the end its all about moving property quickly and every little bit helps...


Real Estate Investor · Bradenton, Florida


If you have beening flipping properties for a while - go partner with someone who you have been flipping them to. Tell them you will help them for no fee if they will teach you the "fix" side of the business.

Have them mentor you on a couple of deals and get comfortable. We did over 30 props last years with an average of 27+% return - sounds good eh? However, if you look at our books you'll see some that we made 65% and some that we DIDN'T. Get my drift.

To be fair, overall we had a great year - and the "fix" makes the flip much moire profitable. But as Jon and Dustin can attest, it doesn't come without risk.

TTFN,

Greg


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


I've done plenty of flips over the years and I would say the biggest red flag for a beginner is to look for deals with the least possible work. Don't get into any structural work if possible, at least in the beginning. You want to gain a good understanding of project costs as this is the largest variable (that, and sales price) involved. So if you go looking for properties, walk away from deals that require more than cosmetic stuff. As your knowledge grows, so will your confidence.




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