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Dawn Anastasi Verified Moderator

Real Estate Investor from Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Feb 19 '13, 06:51 PM


I purchased a SFH, 4 bedrooms, 2 full baths, 1424 square feet in December. Both bathrooms were basically unusable (extremely gross), and the house was from a hoarder so it was pretty gross in almost every room. But now it's almost done and looks completely different and I really wish I would have taken before/after pictures.

Does everyone else that does rehab take before/after pictures? Where do you put them -- do you have a blog? Do you use them to show investors?

Why didn't I do this??? *head desk*



David Niles

Real Estate Investor from Buffalo, New York

Feb 19 '13, 06:59 PM


LOL, I can relate Dawn, my wife gives me grief all the time for not taking enough before pics, I'm too busy jumping in and tearing it all apart. J Scott does an awesome job of covering his rehabs on his blog.



Rob Gillespie

Real Estate Investor from Fairview Park, Ohio

Feb 19 '13, 07:31 PM


Dawn,
I do not do them on every house, but I do have quite a collection. One thing I use them for is to sell a house in poor condition. I show them they type of work my guys can do and they can pick colors. This helps them see the same vision that I do when I look at a project.
I actually sold a house that was gutted down to the floor joists one time for over 100k.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Good luck!



Mike Grayford

Rehabber from Simi Valley, California

Feb 19 '13, 07:55 PM


We always do before and after photos. It's always nice to look back and say, "I forgot how bad this house used to look!" :)



Will Barnard Verified Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Santa Clarita, California

Feb 19 '13, 08:02 PM
1 vote


I also take before and after photos as well as (but not on every one) videos. I use them for a multitude of reasons such as website, recollections, proof of performance history, presentations for acquiring new private funders, and more.



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Shawn Thom

Real Estate Investor from mckinney, Texas

Feb 19 '13, 08:05 PM
1 vote


I'm a newbie but I put my first on a facebook page I created for my business. Another great place to put photos is google. Just get a gmail account and go to more (on the top of gmail) then photos. It will store them in full resolution and you can have really large albums.

Here is my first flip
before

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.418013768265162.93296.383553101711229&type=3

after
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.436690313064174.96825.383553101711229&type=3



Andy Bankston

Real Estate Investor from Kennesaw, Georgia

Feb 20 '13, 12:12 AM


I have taken before, in progress, and after photos for my projects. I'm only on houses #2 and 3, but I post them on my website to give others an idea of what I do and also to remind myself of where I've been.



James Vermillion Donor

Real Estate Investor from Lexington, Kentucky

Feb 20 '13, 04:45 AM


I always try to take before and after pictures but have known to fail at this on several projects. I put them on our website and usually post to Facebook and other social media.

I find they have been helpful when looking back at our first several projects and being able to think about things I would have done differently, things we did well, etc. They can also be a great marketing tool down the line if we take on private money.



Pat L.

Real Estate Investor from New York

Feb 20 '13, 10:35 AM


We always do...
some I have burned as DVD slideshows for the kids I am helping get into RE.
I find it great for keeping a log of all the things you should have done differently....
Also if your wife is taking b4 pics while someone is sanding the drywall the lens will be caked in dust & all future pics will be barely visible until you realize it & clean the lens !!!!!



J Scott Verified Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Ellicott City, Maryland

Feb 20 '13, 11:12 AM


I do before and after (and oftentimes "during") pictures for all my flips...post them on my blog under "House Pics"... :)



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Glenn Espinosa

Rehabber from

Feb 20 '13, 11:36 AM


I always do before and after pictures as well as during pictures. The during pictures are uploaded to an online picasa album that helps to keep our lenders up to date with the rehab progress.

In one of our current homes we are using before and after pictures to put together a marketing package for the home. We hope it will help reflect the extensive rehab we went through while reassuring potential homebuyers of the quality of our work.



Mike Grayford

Rehabber from Simi Valley, California

Feb 20 '13, 12:38 PM
1 vote


Originally posted by Glenn Espinosa:
In one of our current homes we are using before and after pictures to put together a marketing package for the home.

I'm not speaking from experience here, but this sounds like a bad idea to me. The final state of the house should speak for itself. I wouldn't want to associate the home with anything bad, which is what the "before" pictures will be. To me, it's kind of like saying, "Hey, look, there was a death in this house but we cleaned it up and look how nice it is now." Now I'm guessing there wasn't a death in your house, but I'm taking it to an extreme to make the point. Why do you want anything negative associated with your home?



Bill Worsley

Hard Money Lender from Davidson, North Carolina

Feb 22 '13, 06:43 AM
1 vote


Dawn - a great tool you can use for pictures and tracking progress on projects is Evernote. Follow the link: http://evernote.com. You can have it on your phone and on your computer, will sync to both because cloud based, allows you to take pictures, write down notes on each picture, do voice memos, and then share those pictures with other via a simple link to that Evernote folder. I look at a lot of houses and this tool has completely simplified my ability to keep track of photos and information on each house. Hope this helps!



Mark Updegraff Verified Video Donor

Real Estate Investor from Rochester, New York

Feb 22 '13, 07:15 AM


I don't publicly post before, during and after pictures (at least not with addresses) but I do take them for my records. I can see them being useful in the future but I agree with Mike G. in that there should not be anything negative attached to a particular address. I don't want people to know that this unit EVER looked like a dump. As far as they're concerned it looks pristine like the day it was built ;-) I always use the afters for advertising. At some point I would like to have a set of furnishings in storage that I can use for staging photographs. Sometimes I'll get lucky and the tenant is a fashionista, but lets face it, the majority of people are NOT!

Mark



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Jerry K. Donor

Lien Investor from Mokena, Illinois

Feb 22 '13, 07:33 AM


Mike G. brings up a good point. Let me start by saying I don't do rehabs. When I think of the marketing of a property though, does a prospective buyer "want" to know how bad of condition a property was in before the rehab?

Putting myself in a buyer's shoes, I would be more likely to run, or at best, offer way less on a property that I knew was in really bad shape a few weeks before. How do I know what is behind the drywall and new paint? Under the new laminate floors?

I'm always amazed at the TV shows on flipping where they show the people selling the house after the rehab and they're explaining to the prospects how bad the house was before they just fixed it up. You can see most of the buyers visibly move their head back a little like "That's bad, why did you tell me that?"

If I was buying a restored 1949 Oldsmobile I would want to see the before and after because I expect something that old to have gone from bad to good. If I'm buying a 1979 ranch, I'm not so sure I want to see the grungy bathroom and stained ceiling before photos - or even told how bad it was.

I understand from the rehabber side that you're proud of the work and it's cool to show off how bad something was before and how great it looks now, but should a buyer be told how bad it was? If they ask, yes then full disclosure, but should it be volunteered?

Just curious.



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Mark Updegraff Verified Video Donor

Real Estate Investor from Rochester, New York

Feb 22 '13, 07:42 AM


I forgot my latest rehab photos!
https://plus.google.com/photos/106829735115441502690/albums/5847796880319194497?authkey=CK2olIimn-KURw

No before's ;-) But I will tell you there were tricks turned and rocks burnt by the last tenant (whom I inherited with the purchase). Oh no! I've said too much :D :D :D



Medium_leavesMark Updegraff, Updegraff Development LLC
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Telephone: (585) 432-0477
Website: http://www.UpdegraffDevelopment.com
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Karen Margrave Moderator

Developer from Orange County, California

Feb 22 '13, 08:16 AM
1 vote


@Jerry K. on BP we daily have new members wanting to know how to break into the business of flipping, rehabbing, etc. Those that are in that market segment and know how to do it, and post their pics, give those wanting to learn a visible way to understand the process of rehabbing, and allows the rehabbers to show off their work. I think it gives newbies encouragement, and allows them to see that it may not be as hard as they envision...or it may be harder, who knows?

Personally I like seeing the pics, I think it ads another dimension to the forums.



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Jerry K. Donor

Lien Investor from Mokena, Illinois

Feb 22 '13, 11:03 AM


@Karen Margrave, I didn't mean not showing the Before pictures on BP. I love seeing them also, and I know they help new rehabbers.

I was talking only about telling and showing a prospective buyer of the home about the extent of the rehab.



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