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Michael L.

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Glendale, CA
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My first Post:

I've read the other posts here and in other forums about JA which were mixed.

Heard of investors getting in hot water with the attorney general and sued through this IP method. His system has changed form. Does anyone know if the contracts changed with this new method?

The concept seems (at least on the surface) like it would work quite well in this market.
In it's new form, he has three levels (Free, Gold, Platinum)
New Form:
It is the Platinum level where an investor can flip.
IP = Buy at discount, Sell at appraised (to Buyer with down to 500Fico), Assign contract, Seller creates Note... Sells note at 10-13% discount to JA's note purchaser (will not purchase in CA and NY). ((This is what I'm note sure about)>> The investor presents an invoice to the Seller which is paid through escrow.
I don't know if that last part is still the case with the new method, but from reading other forms, it was this act that caused the attorney general to cry foul (don't know what state or if there were other circumstances).

Has anyone signed up for the Platinum? Any transactions? Feelings on the system?
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Mike S.

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Hey Michael,
So, the only difference between this system and a normal wholesale transaction is:

You buy at a discount (you don't close, you just have a purchase and sale agreement), but instead of assigning the PSA to an investor, you sell the deal at appraised value (market value/retail?) to a buyer with marginal credit. You sell to them on a note, like a contract for deed? Then this system has buyers or is the buyer for these notes you create? And then when the end buyer closes with the seller you get the profit, and some kind of fee from the note buyer?

I wonder where you get the retail buyers? There's a reason why so many homes are going unsold on the market these days. Does this assume that there is a niche of buyers out there who cannot get home loans with the marginal credit, but the system will gladly buy these notes from you? Please explain more, it sounds intriguing, but I can't help with any actual experience with that system. Thanks, Mike

Michael L.

Real Estate Investor
Glendale, CA
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Hi Mike,
You're right about the niche:
You and/or the seller market the property to an end buyer with min. 500 Fico, but has min. 1 yr employment. They are happy to have a home opportunity.
The seller creates the note for 9.9% 30 yrs which is sold at closing and is permanently readjusted to between 5-8.5% depending on end buyer's credit.
The invoice to the seller / assignment to the end-buyer is where your flip profit comes from at closing. (It is this part that I am uncertain about, since I know JA's system structure has at least somewhat recently changed.... But I can see how someone could construe such an invoice to equate to acting as a realtor.. if that is still the process).

Regards

Byron A.

Real Estate Investor
Minneapolis, MN
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Hi Mike and Michael,

I'm in Minneapolis. I joined John Alexander's latest program about one month ago. I'm getting a phenomenal response from real estate pros, i.e., investors, realtors and mortgage brokers.

You do not need to do the IP method to profit from becoming part of John's program. The IP is just one available method that investors have used for many years. I read also about the legal problems that some fellow got into using it, I think in Texas. I'm checking on that aspect further before I use the IP technique.

Re: the other tools that members receive, there is a remarkable opportunity using private investor money (REIT's) to joint venture the purchase of REO/short sale properties at 50-55% of FMV, and re-sell to retail buyers at 85-90% of FMV. Minimum 585 middle credit score and 5% down, 30-year fixed, interest between 6 - 9.9%, no PMI, no pre-payment penalty.

I split the profit with the REIT 50/50. No, I haven't done one yet. This program was just announced about two weeks ago. I'm working with REO brokers who have REO's listed and who have buyers that can't qualify to buy, i.e. less than 680 middle credit score and 20% down. The same REIT that joint ventures the REO purchase converts their debt interest (I'm the equity owner of the REO for several days) into a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage given at 6% - 9.9%, usually 7 - 8.5 %. Middle credit score must be 585 or higher. Requirements are similar to FHA.



Best regards,

Byron Aldrich

Edited: 09/12/2008 at 01:55PM by Administrator: Website and solicitation removed

Byron A.

Real Estate Investor
Minneapolis, MN
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I forgot to mention that I signd up at the Platinum level. Platinum costs $697 one time. Gold is $297. and offers about 1/10 of the tools and ways to earn profit.

Byron

Byron A.

Real Estate Investor
Minneapolis, MN
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And Mike, I just noticed that you are in California. Only two states, California and New York, are not eligible for this financing method. I believe the IP is okay, though, if you deem the method legal in California.

BA

John Q.

Real Estate Investor
CA
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The investor presents an invoice to the Seller which is paid through escrow.
I don't know if that last part is still the case with the new method, but from reading other forms, it was this act that caused the attorney general to cry foul (don't know what state or if there were other circumstances).

Michael, I like to hear more about the above. I too know JA system. I am not his student. I know about the system thru his last partner.

Steve W.

Real Estate Investor
Waynesboro, MS
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Michael,

I joined HSA about 2 weeks after it was launched. I have made money with the program and I am having people sign up often. The contracts are updated as needed. The greatest part of the program is that is allows us to offer "owner financing" on our signs. Most of the time you can find a local lender that can do USDA loans or FHA loans with credit scores in the mid 500's and not even use the note buyers. Anyway I am happy with the program.

Alex L.

Banker
Raleigh, NC
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Any updates on this guys?? I'm extremely interested in using the IP part of the home seller assistance program, but I want to hear from someone first that it is legit.

Anybody?

Alex L.

Banker
Raleigh, NC
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Just found this article. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1087170

David P.

Real Estate Consultant
Tallahassee, Florida
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The BBB gives Alexander an “F” rating for his Van Nuys, Calif., company. In an online report, the BBB states that Alexander advertises a BBB membership on his Web site, richesin14days.com, when it is not, in fact, a member.

That sounds legit. I'd like to get rich in 14 days...Where do I sign up?

Edited by Dave: Guys, I just went to the richesin14days website. Are you kidding me?

Are you guys really claiming this as a legit program?

It literally says "No Money, No Credit, No Problem".

Wow.

Alex L.

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Raleigh, NC
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It seems all the craze today is the seller financing program, which has a note buying company that buys the note created at closing.

Everyone seems to be promoting it. I don't want to get in trouble for advertising on here, but I think the website is weprovidethecash. There do seem to be mixed reviews about John Alexander, but unless others are not telling the truth, the owner financing program seems to be working. The "inverse purchase" is just one program offered by him I believe. Not sure about the getting rich in 14 days, but I do believe the program has a little truth behind it.

Dustin L.

Real Estate Investor
hopkinsville, Kentucky
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So let me get this right... Owner finance a note to a person with bad credit while having the property on contract, then sell the note at a discount of FMV, completing your purchase and sale subsequently... with all the transactions going on in one day at the closing company. Hmm.. This isn't a system that requires a specific persons connection to a note buyer, or membership to any club.
The lovely thing about the internet is Globalization. Any person with the fortitude, and an internet connection, can sit at a computer and find a buyer for a note. These days they sell programs training people to do just that. I dont see why the note purchaser would send an invoice but then again, im not a member of this program, and the only people advocating the program here have only posted about this program... hmm

Where can I get this program... IM IN!

Hey David... I think they're serious. ;)

Edited: 11/25/2008 at 03:58AM by Dustin L.

David P.

Real Estate Consultant
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Not sure about the getting rich in 14 days, but I do believe the program has a little truth behind it.

When it comes to money and investing (especially), I wouldn't be looking for a "little bit of truth". I'd be looking for the whole truth.

I mean, if someone advertises that they are a member of the BBB, and they are not, that kind of tells me to run away.

So, unless those claims are false, then I would walk.

Alex L.

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Raleigh, NC
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Dustin..I don't think there are too many note buyers out there that will take only a 10-15% discount on the note; most are taking way more than that..some even close to 50%. After reading the specifics it seems as if they can help those who couldn't otherwise get financed get approved for a home and lose only a SMALL discount on the sales price.

So in short, home owner's can get their homes sold quickly by allowing those with troubled credit to qualify and they can get almost full price minus the discount.

David...John Alexander has been around for a while it seems and is Donald Trump's real estate advisor; he's been around since the early 80's and has had much success. Just like with anything that's popular, there are both good reviews and not so good reviews; however, the bad ones seem to talk more about customer service rather than the system itself. I have yet to put this system to use or spend the $697 to buy for that matter..I just know people have built their "teams" and have enjoyed success from it.

I still would love to hear from anyone who has used the inverse purchase or the home seller assist program. Do a google search on "temporary seller financing". I'm sure you will find a lot of good stuff about it...most of which is legit.

Edited: 11/25/2008 at 06:43PM by Alex L.

David P.

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So in short, home owner's can get their homes sold quickly by allowing those with troubled credit to qualify and they can get almost full price minus the discount.

Alex,

You're probably right. The system probably works. But after reading the newspaper every day for the past two years, I personally don't think it's such a hot idea to help qualify people for homes they can't afford. In addition, it has been my experience that those with troubled credit may have a larger chance at over-paying for a property than a prime buyer.

I'll leave this post alone now because I've said my peace.

Good luck with the program.

Dustin L.

Real Estate Investor
hopkinsville, Kentucky
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John Alexander has been around for a while it seems and is Donald Trump's real estate advisor

Facts are facts.. and this is most certainly NOT one. Donald Trump is a Wharton School Of Finance Graduate who had a Quarter Mil net worth from flipping condos before finishing college, Who's first solo commercial real estate deals (after college) netted tens of of millions with practically nothing out of pocket.. John Alexander is not Trump's "real estate advisor", as it is more likely to be the other way around. sorry to say... odds are that Trump was paid to even associate with him.

Alex L.

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Raleigh, NC
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Originally posted by Dustin Lyle
John Alexander has been around for a while it seems and is Donald Trump's real estate advisor

Facts are facts.. and this is most certainly NOT one. Donald Trump is a Wharton School Of Finance Graduate who had a Quarter Mil net worth from flipping condos before finishing college, Who's first solo commercial real estate deals (after college) netted tens of of millions with practically nothing out of pocket.. John Alexander is not Trump's "real estate advisor", as it is more likely to be the other way around. sorry to say... odds are that Trump was paid to even associate with him.


Donald Trump has bought interest in a few of John Alexander's companies and they have done business together for some time now. Point is, if someone like Donald Trump has put MONEY and/or interest in this guy he's not too shabby...and again, your mentioning of this being the same as a typical "put a house under contract deal" is completely and utterly wrong...read up on his program, may even help you close a deal or two.

Mr_Investor

Real Estate Investor
Altus, Oklahoma
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My question is this a legal technique to use?

Alex L.

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Raleigh, NC
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That's the only thing I myself have been weary of. That's why I was trying to find anyone who's personally used it and been successful.