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HI, new person here. My husband is military and we own a home out here in Virginia, he just ended getting orders somewhere else. So we listed our home, but now we have a only a short time before we MUST leave across country. I am considering taking it off the market soon. Since we won't be able to close on it by the time we leave.

We are considering using a lease to purchase or something of that sort, in order to avoid an extra mortgage payment. We were considering renting but, I don't think the rent at market value would cover our mortgage. So would doing a lease purchase option be a good choice for us??

I was going to get a rental appraisal to find out the exact rent market value which I est at around:

Est Value of Home Currently: 185000
$1150 a month
would like to put monthly amount at $1350 min.
that would leave $200 monthly towards downpayment for buyer.
asking for 3000-3500 option money
1 year lease with option to buy - and possibly the option to renew two times after.

Am I missing something and is this fair???

Questions #1: Do you set the purchase price at current market value at the time lease/contract is signed? or do they agree to purchase it at the value it is at once their option is exercised?? Which one? or which one would you recommend?

Question #2: What would you do in this situation? And how long do you think it would take to get someone in and signed up for this type of situation?

Question #3: What is the most beneficial way to do things for both parties?? and what step should we take to get started on it?
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Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


First, why would you take it off the market? Leave it on the market. You don't need to be there for closing. If you can sell it, that's the best option.

Can you spiff it up, and set the price so its the best deal in the area? That's how you get a quick sale.

If a rental won't work, a lease option may not, either. I can't tell what you think you would get for rent. Whether its $1150 or $1350, its a bad rental if you can sell for $185K. Better to sell and be done with it.

A lease option might get you slightly higher rent, and might get you some option money, but its really a rental with all the associated headaches.

Option price can be set however you and the buyer agree to. Given that prices are likely to fall, it may be to your advantage to set the price now. But if prices fall to the point where that's no longer a good price, the buyer will either want to renegotiate or will just walk away.

No idea how long it will take. How long does it take to get something rented in your area? You can guess at that by watching "for rent" signs come and go. Getting a tenant/buyer will take somewhat longer.

First, you're going to need to know any state laws and regulations regarding lease options. Then, you'll need a good lease and a good option contract. If you can find other investors in the area, they may be able to help you. Otherwise, you may have to get a lawyer to draw them up. Then, figure out what you want for option money, rent, and deposit, and start advertising. Figure out how you're going to screen tenants, both just as tenants (credit report, criminal background, eviction check, employment, etc, look in the landlording forum for a sticky thread on this topic) as well as for their ability to buy.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Myrtle creek , Oregon


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
First, why would you take it off the market? Leave it on the market. You don't need to be there for closing. If you can sell it, that's the best option.

Can you spiff it up, and set the price so its the best deal in the area? That's how you get a quick sale.

Better to sell and be done with it.
.

I agree with Jon that your best option is to sell.If its been listed for more than 60 days it's overpriced. Consider getting a new Realtor, they are not all created equal. You need a bulldog who will price this property aggressively and get it sold. Do everything to make it stand out from the others in your neighborhood. Do some landscaping, lots of curb appeal and first impressions are very important. Make it shine inside, impeccably clean, fresh paint, new carpet if stained or worn.Have it professionally staged, this has made a huge difference in the time on market for my properties.Don't worry about selling from a distance, your Realtor and Title Co. will help you through it. Good luck! Jim.



Well, the house is currently "FSBO". I really don't want to sell it using an agent right now, because the commissions would almost completely wipe out any equity we would receive. Market rental I'm sure would go for around 1100-1150. The rentals in my area go quick.

And the area, "Chesapeake, VA" has actually seen a steady rising in values of the properties out here. One of the few places that have in Virginia. I would just really like to find a way to hold onto it, just a bit longer. We planned on being here longer, but received last minute orders to leave across country.

I've had agents come through, all saying it shows well. I currently have it listed on
http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listing/8DC9F

I have no problem, going to a lawyer to write up the contracts, I think it would be better done in that way for the time being.

I currently have it listed at 179,500, which is pretty aggressively priced. One just like our sold at 184,000 a month in a half ago. Not in as good condition. It was appraised at 187,000. We just really want to hold it somehow.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


The reality is that unless you're at least willing to pay the buyer's agent, you're going to have a hard time selling the house. Most retail buyers look on the MLS. Either directly or using their buyer's agent. If you're not on the MLS, and you won't pay the buyer's agent, 90+% of the potential buyers will never even know about your house.

The ugly reality of real estate is that unless you own less than about 92% of the value of the house, you have no equity. Transaction costs eat up 8% of the sales price, in the best of times. Right now, sales concessions are common. If you don't have actual MLS sold data, you don't have the full story on prices. Concessions don't get recorded in the county records. The do show up on the MLS reports. Almost every sold listing I've looked at in this area shows at least 2-3% seller concessions. So, that one you say sold at $184K may well have had $5K in seller concessions.

The fact you're even talking about "wipe out any equity" is a red flag to me. That tells me you're thinking about what you owe when figuring the listing price. Nobody else will consider this, you shouldn't either. The problem is that you back into a price based on what you owe. Then, you look for solds to justify the price. The correct approach is to look at all the solds in your area, look at the actual price including all the concessions, and then price to be the best deal.

I see you've priced it right about the zillow zestimate. Those are rarely correct. I see 917 Still Harbor sold 12/23/08 for $155K, and has a very similar zestimate. I suspect the comp you're using is the 903 Spinnaker Ct. sale, which shows on zillow as $184K. Since that's a public number, I strongly suspect there were concessions involved with that sale that made the price better. A useful piece of data would be the days on market for that property.

I'm not sure why you want to hold this. As a rental, its terrible. Even if the rent is $1350 and you have a payment of $1150, its awful. Apply the 50% rule to the rent. That says expenses are $675, leaving you $675 after all expenses (including vacancy, taxes, insurance, and HOA fees.) I'm guessing the P&I part of your payment at about $950. So, you're going to be in the hole $275 a month. That's not a keeper.

A lease option isn't much different from a straight rental. More likely than not, they won't buy, and you'll have to re-fill it from a distance.

Did you buy this with 100% financing? You may have to fork over that down payment now in order to get this to move.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Why not do a lease option?


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


That was what the Lisa was asking. She says she can't sell for what they need (summarizing here), can't rent for a reasonable amount, and so are considering a lease option. They are thinking about taking it off the market because they can't close before they have to move.

So, why not a lease option?

1) Lease options are glorified rentals. You still have the "lease" part. You can try to push some of the maintenance to the tenant buyer, but you still have a lease, and you still have all the landlord responsibilities. You might get a little extra rent, but you end up giving it back if they buy.

2) They probably won't buy. So, you'll still have to deal with doing the make ready after they move out. And then they have to get a new tenant.

3) She said they're considering taking it off the market because they can't close before they leave. Selling at a distance is easy. I've done it multiple times as I've moved around. Dealing with tenants at a distance is more difficult than selling, especially when something goes wrong. You can't just run over there and spend an hour and $15 to deal with some minor problem. You have to find someone to deal with it and you end up spending $100.

4) They're not investors. As an investment, this is a bad deal. The numbers don't work. Its a townhome, which has all teh HOA headaches that go along with that. Doing a lease option might or might not help ease the pain of selling.

5) If the numbers accurate, it looks like they actually could just do a straight sale with minimal pain. Certainly looks like they're much better off than someone in their circumstances in LA, LV, or FL. Take the lumps, get rid of this albatross and move on with life.

That said, Andy Heller & Scott Frank, and Wendy Patton have some good lease option books.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Well, that's a bummer. I figure we're going to have to take a loss even if it is around 200 in that case. Because either we get some people in the property to cover the mortgage, or we pay the full mortgage each month until it gets' sold, even if we do decide to take on a realtor. We have to leave on the 2nd of March. And we will be paying for our place in San Diego. So I think regardless, we're going to end up renting, and are prepared for the loss, if that's what's necessary. I figure it's better than paying for the whole amount of the mortgage.

Yes, we did get 100 percent financing with our VA LOAN. All of our insurance/taxes are included in the mortgage. Take that away, the morgage comes out to a little over 1000 a month, but it is included in our payments automatically.

We haven't had any issues with making payments or anything. It's only the timing & lack of timing we have available now, which has handed us our difficult circumstances.

The address on Still Harbor actually sold at that low price, because the people were military, and had to leave too. So they listed it significantly undervalue. I know this because he came to look at our home during an open house.

I just would hate to sell it at such a low price, just to get rid of it.

I don't know. ??

It would be easier if we didn't have to leave so quick, but that's what we gotta do.



Originally posted by Jon Holdman
That was what the Lisa was asking. She says she can't sell for what they need (summarizing here), can't rent for a reasonable amount, and so are considering a lease option. They are thinking about taking it off the market because they can't close before they have to move.

So, why not a lease option?

1) Lease options are glorified rentals. You still have the "lease" part. You can try to push some of the maintenance to the tenant buyer, but you still have a lease, and you still have all the landlord responsibilities. You might get a little extra rent, but you end up giving it back if they buy.

2) They probably won't buy. So, you'll still have to deal with doing the make ready after they move out. And then they have to get a new tenant.

3) She said they're considering taking it off the market because they can't close before they leave. Selling at a distance is easy. I've done it multiple times as I've moved around. Dealing with tenants at a distance is more difficult than selling, especially when something goes wrong. You can't just run over there and spend an hour and $15 to deal with some minor problem. You have to find someone to deal with it and you end up spending $100.

4) They're not investors. As an investment, this is a bad deal. The numbers don't work. Its a townhome, which has all teh HOA headaches that go along with that. Doing a lease option might or might not help ease the pain of selling.

5) If the numbers accurate, it looks like they actually could just do a straight sale with minimal pain. Certainly looks like they're much better off than someone in their circumstances in LA, LV, or FL. Take the lumps, get rid of this albatross and move on with life.

That said, Andy Heller & Scott Frank, and Wendy Patton have some good lease option books.


Leave it me to get ourselves in this kind of conundrum! lol :oops:

Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Unfortunately for you, a forced job relocation is one of the things investors look for to snag a good deal. I think in your situation buying a house is a bad idea. As you see, the transaction costs are exorbitant. You bought it just over two years ago. Under normal circumstances, you're going to take a loss if you buy and sell two and a half years later. You just won't get enough appreciation to cover the transaction costs.

Had you bought in 2004 and sold in 2006, you would have been smelling like a rose. Those were unusual times. Now we have unusual times in the opposite direction.

If you think you're going to have to move every two-three years, you should only buy if you can put 10% down, and you're willing to walk away with nothing at the end. That is, just add that 10% down payment to the payments.

Looking on realtor.com, I see seven similar properties within about half a mile of you. Two are listed right at $200K. The other five are listed at $175K. I don't know exactly what these look like (you should, you should look inside all of them.) But were I looking in this area, I would see you're as being on the higher end. Plus, I wouldn't even see yours. I'd make sure your's looks better than any of those other seven, price it lower, and get it on the MLS. I'd price it at $169K is I was willing to make a few more payments, probably $165 if I was doing a fix and flip and wanted it to move quickly.

Rentometer puts rent for your unit at $950. I find it to be on the high end. So, even as a lease option, you're probably just barely covering the PITI payment, if not coming out of pocket a bit.

Sorry. This is a bad situation. Like you, I've been in the position of having to move before a house is sold. Its unpleasant making two payments or rent plus a payment while waiting for it to sell.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Originally posted by Lisa Penny
Originally posted by Jon Holdman
That was what the Lisa was asking. She says she can't sell for what they need (summarizing here), can't rent for a reasonable amount, and so are considering a lease option. They are thinking about taking it off the market because they can't close before they have to move.

So, why not a lease option?

1) Lease options are glorified rentals. You still have the "lease" part. You can try to push some of the maintenance to the tenant buyer, but you still have a lease, and you still have all the landlord responsibilities. You might get a little extra rent, but you end up giving it back if they buy.

2) They probably won't buy. So, you'll still have to deal with doing the make ready after they move out. And then they have to get a new tenant.

3) She said they're considering taking it off the market because they can't close before they leave. Selling at a distance is easy. I've done it multiple times as I've moved around. Dealing with tenants at a distance is more difficult than selling, especially when something goes wrong. You can't just run over there and spend an hour and $15 to deal with some minor problem. You have to find someone to deal with it and you end up spending $100.

4) They're not investors. As an investment, this is a bad deal. The numbers don't work. Its a townhome, which has all teh HOA headaches that go along with that. Doing a lease option might or might not help ease the pain of selling.

5) If the numbers accurate, it looks like they actually could just do a straight sale with minimal pain. Certainly looks like they're much better off than someone in their circumstances in LA, LV, or FL. Take the lumps, get rid of this albatross and move on with life.

That said, Andy Heller & Scott Frank, and Wendy Patton have some good lease option books.


Leave it me to get ourselves in this kind of conundrum! lol :oops:

Hey don't feel bad it happens to the best of us in real estate always expect the unexpected it's an unpredictable game.

That is why homeowners and investors always have to work hard to stay one step ahead.


Real Estate Investor · orem, Utah


Just an Opinion:

As an investor, here's what I'd do if I were in your situation (bear in mind this is just my own opinion. If you want professional advice, you should always seek competent legal counsel from a broker or an attorney):

1- Do a cash-out REFI of the property BEFORE moving to give me some liquid cash.

2- Lease Option the property, but have the entire process run by my investor's club (they handle property managment, maintenance, tenant contracts and a TON of other stuff so I don't have to myself).

3- Use a portion of the liquid cash to purchase another property. If you end up living on-base, then you'd have to drop around 20% into an investment property, but if you did the REFI, you should have plenty to play with under the right circumstances. If you're NOT living on-base, only 3-5% down should suffice, meaning you may be able to purchase two properties for a total of 3.

4- Sell the LO property after two years, and use the proceeds to purchase another two investment properties.

You get the idea... keep leapfrogging the returns into the next few properties, and after a while you'll have more net worth than you can shake a stick at, and your positive cash flow should be high enough to cover you in the event of another military relocation.

This is obviously just a napkin drawing. If you want more details [SOLICITATION REMOVED]

Let me know how it goes,

Best Regards,

Tim.

P.S.- Lease Options CAN be the right answer if they're done right: win-win. [ANOTHER SOLICITATION REMOVED BY ADMIN]


Real Estate Investor · orem, Utah


My Mistake...

OOPS! I read the first post, then skimmed to the bottom to post a response. However, after reading many of the responses, I'm realizing that a: Lisa has already moved, and b: It sounds like she doesn't have much equity in the home. In this situation, it's best in my opinion to offload this one asap, cut your losses, learn from the past, and don't buy a home at FMV . Buy at around 10-15% below. That way, you have equity when you buy, and more options when you sell. My apologies for the tardy advice.

Hope everything works out for you and your husband,

Best Regards,

Tim.


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