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Real Estate Investor · Northwest, Indiana


Does anyone have experience doing lease-option deals? Are they highly successful or a gimmick strategy to use every once in awhile? How does a lease-option deal differ from a typical real estate transaction?

Thank you for your time and assistance!


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Lease options are a valid way to make money with real estate, but they are no panacea. When you do a lease-option, you are really just renting the property, with all the same problems you have with normal tenants. Most lease-option buyers will never buy the property.

In addition, it can take a lot longer to find a lease-option tenant than a regular tenant. Basically what you're looking for is a person whose credit is bad enough that they can't get a normal mortgage, but that has a big pile of cash for the option premium. While you're waiting for this person to show up, you could have been renting the property.

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that lease options are not any more profitable than simply renting.

Good Luck,

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


To me, "lease options" or "rent to own" methods of selling homes are a valid and profitable method for selling.

Typically on properties that are a bit skinny on profit, but are still nice properties, selling via lease option is a great way to fatten up the profits. i.e. no real estate commission to pay to sell equals another 5% or 6% profit... And you can get top dollar for the sales price which can add another 5%-10% onto your profit!

Adding another 10%-15% plus profit onto a deal can and does make a "skinny deal" a "FAT" deal!

You just have to understand that only about 1 or 2 out of every 5 actually buy from you. The other 3 out of the 5 end up being tenants and just move out. If you understand this, it is less frustrating. When id does happen, you just find another candidate for the property.

To do lease option correctly, there are many things one needs to understand and know on the topic... But done correctly, they can be a money maker!

I like them and do them all the time!



Lease options are one of my main focus areas right now in investing. Instead of rehabbing a property and putting it on the MLS and hoping someone will buy it, I rehab it, refinance it(pulling some cash out and my investment) and then look for a lease option tenant or a regular renter. Lease options are great because you can get some money down that is taken off their final purchase price, plus we usually charge full appraisal for the purchase price. The other thing we do with lease options is make the tenant responsible for repairs and all utilities if they were to own it themselves. Plus since the property manager's job is not as involved they charge a smaller fee.

We work with the tenant on their credit throughout their lease so as soon as they qualify for a mortgage we get them approved to purchase.

I think you will find that most lease options or even regular tenants will eventually purchase the property if you assist them with their credit.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Justin,
Have you run into issues with the maintenance if something major went wrong? For instance, if the furnace needs replacement, would you expect your tenant buyer to get it replaced? What if they couldn't afford to? You're still a landlord and still on the hook to provide a habitable place for your tenant. I've looked into doing lease options like this, and trying to get the tenant buyer to handle some of the maintenance. But, I've been leery of the issues with having a problem make the place uninhabitable.
Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



I guess I should have been more specific with that. Its basically general maintenance that they are responsible for. I rehab everything I buy now, so when we put them into the property there should not be anything needed to be done, however things do come up. If its something that we did not take care of in the rehab or has broken since the rehab, or was not done right we take care of it.

I look at it on a case to case basis really, the tenant signs a contract stating that they are in charge of all maintenance, but then again their intention is to purchase the property anyway as soon as possible so most of them like the fact they can take care of their own home or soon to be home.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


It is illegal in Ohio (and many/most other states) for the tenant to be responsible for the maintenance. Ohio's tenant-landlord law makes the landlord responsible for maintaining the property in a habitable condition. Making them sign a form to the contrary does not change that.

When you make them do the maintenance and things go wrong, the landlord can get into a BIG problem. The tenant will claim that you rented them a property that was not in habitable condition and you may find yourself being sued and paying back all the rent. This happened to a landlord I know.

In addition, the majority of lease-option " buyers" never buy the property and that should certainly be taken into consideration. In my experience, lease-option " buyers" don't take better care of the property than any other tenant. In reality, they are just tenants.

Mike


Private Money Lender · Pleasant Hill, California


Lease options are a great way to make money. In CA however if you give them the option to buy you must abide by it no matter what. They have cracked down on some that decide not to sell.


Real Estate Investor · Verne, Indiana


We use the Lease-Option to the fullest..... buying and selling. Its a good way for you to get into a property with little or no money down, fix it up, finance it then rent or flip it. Just be sure the owner knows your intentions for the rehab.

Also on the sales side as already mentioned.

We have had outstanding results with this concept. I like the nastiest ones I can find for crazy low cost. Get a big truck, saw and hammer and whatch the property transform into equity and profits!

Good luck!


Real Estate Attorney · Charlotte, NC


When drafting one of these I have to be very aware of who I represent. If I am representing a buyer/Tenant, I want that tenant to have equity in the property. I want it to look like he is treating it as if he has a fee ownership in the property. If I can make it so the Buyer/Tenant looks like they have equity in the property- I have done my job. I will craft the language to say that within each monthly payment there is a contribution to the equity of the property.

If I am representing a Seller/Lessor I want to craft this transaction to make it clear that the tenant is not getting equity in the property== it will make it easier to evict the tenant. I will draft a lease and a separate option to purchase. I will make sure that the option price is high, and that it is NOT applied toward the purchase price. I will also not apply any portion of the monthly rent toward the purchase price. I will simpily advise my client to set the purchase price a little lower than normal to show appreciation for a good tenant. I will also segregate the damage deposit.

In NC the courts look to see if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck.. if it does then the court will call it a duck...

I always advise my client to tell me what they want and then I make sure my documents will lead to that end.

This can be tricky and filled with traps for the unwary..


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


This can be tricky and filled with traps for the unwary..

Exactly right and that goes double for a sandwich lease-option.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, Delaware


I want to craft this transaction to make it clear that the tenant is not getting equity in the property

Never let tenant pay taxes or insurance either, on a sandwich. Thats " equitable interest" , and you'll have to foreclose, instead of evict. Always get added as " additional insured" on the sellers fire insurance policy. If your tenant burns the place down, guess who they are going to point the finger at.


Real Estate Investor · Northwest, Indiana


Some are talking about the tenant not buying the property at the end of the lease period like it is a bad situation. Wouldn't this not be all bad since you get to collect another payment and can set a higher price due to appreciation?


Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, MI


Can some of the more experienced investors please elaborate more on some of the important details of a lease option sandwich? I'm actually looking into doing one on one of the properties I'm looking at.



Great info on this topic. Eric you seem to be an expert on the subject can you point me in the right direction for more info. Thanks


Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


Well... I don't know that I consider myself an expert. But I do them...

I would say you should start off by reading the posts that are here on Bigger Pockets... You will find a lot of good info on how to get started...

And should you have any questions... Just ask away!


Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, Delaware


Some are talking about the tenant not buying the property at the end of the lease period like it is a bad situation. Wouldn't this not be all bad since you get to collect another payment and can set a higher price due to appreciation?

It depends on how long you got the seller for. I go no lower than 24 months, and just try for as long as I can get. (I only do 12 month leases, so the credit is repaired, and I can get them financed) This is on a sandwich situation mind you.

If you take deed, or buy outright, then it doesnt matter, because you own it, and are responsible. If you own the home, then its up to you. If they move out, take another down payment from another tenant, and keep going. You could rent it out if needed, also.

Im actually working on one right now, with a seller. Hopefully, they agree. I've found it a little tough to get them to agree with everything, so use it with desperate sellers, who need out now.


Real Estate Investor · LaFollette, TN


If you owned the property would you do owner financing or do you still prefer lease option?


Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, Delaware


Im really just starting to get into lease options. Ive just been shooting at wholesaling, and have worked out a few deals with other investors. Im still going for my first sandwich deal. I don't know much about owner financing, just yet.


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