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Real Estate Investor · Hoquiam, Washington


Hi there, I recently heard from an investor that the courts are beginning to crack down significantly on Lease Option and Rent to Own programs when a "rent credit" is involved. It had something to do with the tenant now having "vested interest" or something, but this investor said that he heard tenants are actually being declared owners of the home due to this. Has anyone heard of this? I'm looking to possibly Lease Option one of my homes, and want to make sure I know what I'm doing.


Rehabber · El Paso, Texas


This is definately the case in Texas. I hope this disease isn't spreading across the nation. You need a pretty iron clad psa written by an attorney to get a lease option done here over 6 months.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


That's always been a risk. The bigger the option money and rent credit, the higher the risk. I believe there are investors out there who create lease options with no expectation the T/B will ever exercise it, and they're ready to evict and keep the option money at the slightest opportunity. That creates a black mark against us all, and results in this sort of crack down.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


I believe, and have stated this many times, that the main problem is with the actual eviction of someone who has a lease option.

The lease option does give them an "vested interest" in the property as long as they have the right to pick up the option. Therefore they are a partial owner of the property and the eviction courts have said they do not have jurisdiction in these matters as they only deal with the eviction of non-owners.

You have to wait until the option period is over or go through another court which makes the eviction more involved.


Real Estate Investor · Hoquiam, Washington


Thanks guys. I hope to find a pretty ethical "win win" way to do a lease option, and if I ever struggle with an eviction there, hopefully it will show fairness. Any suggestions would be great!


Private Money Lender · San Jose, California


I don't know about other states, but in Pennsylvania, as long as you keep the lease and the option separate contracts, the eviction process is definitely on your side.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


I would imagine a "forfeiture" clause would solve this no? That is how you do it with a land contract - they (the buyer) does actually have a vested interested so you have to go through a foreclosure VS an eviction unless you have a forfeiture clause that they sign saying if they don't pay the payments they will forfeit their equitable rights

Not saying this is so - more of asking the question.


Real Estate Investor · Wooster, Ohio


In Ohio if the two are kept as separate documents, it is generally not too hard to evict.


Real Estate Investor · Vicksburg, Michigan


I think this is a question about whether a T/B has equitable interest or not. There are many issues a judge should look at before they declare it an installment loan. Of course the Opt. consideration, has the T/B made many costly improvements, how long have they been there etc. Use 2 contracts and never exceed three years, one should be enough. Herbster


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Yes always keep the option and the lease contracts separate never combine them otherwise it will bite you in the butt if you ever go to court.


Residential Real Estate Broker · Durham, North Carolina


Also, make sure the option says it is immediately cancelled if the lease is in default. The option can refer to the lease, but the lease should never refer to the option.

Even then, if you end up in front of a tenant friendly judge you might have problems, but that is a risk you take.


Real Estate Investor · Holly Springs, North Carolina


It also helps to keep the lease price the same regardless if you have a Lease or Lease/Option. One company I work with is dropping its option fees way down... to 1 month's rent... because the goal is to eventually sell the property (tenant executes the L/O) vs. generate bitter customers at the gain of a little extra revenue.


Real Estate Coach · Lakeland, Florida


I know you are referring to residential and I just wanted to let you know that in Florida with commercial it is possible to lease option as long as you use separate contacts. As a matter of fact we are dong one this afternoon.

cwlsr


Real Estate Attorney · Houston, Texas


Selling on a lease option is a dangerous business in Texas. You have to keep the option period 180 days or less to avoid being subject to a ridiculous statute with a ton of requirements and penalties.

One possible way to avoid the rent credit issue is have the tenant sign a Quitclaim Deed to you at the time of the lease. Tell them you will hold it and not record it until and unless the option expires. Put that in your option contract too.


Real Estate Investor · Hoquiam, Washington


Hey everyone, thanks for the advice. I am finally ready to do a Rent-to-own and added another post titled "Rent to Own-Strategy in Process -Suggestions?" to detail what I plan on doing and hopefully get some suggestions from others. Take a look and give any advice you can!


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