I am going to research a mini storage/ mobile home deal and had a question before I go to bed. Is there a rule of thumb to use when looking at mini storage units? How do I decide what is a fair price?
Travis
I am going to research a mini storage/ mobile home deal and had a question before I go to bed. Is there a rule of thumb to use when looking at mini storage units? How do I decide what is a fair price?
Travis
After completing your financial analysis, if it makes the income you desire, it is a good deal, if it makes less, you pass.
Gross income, less operating expenses, less debt service. If the end result meets your criteria, you have yourself a deal. Everybody has there own criteria as far as how much they want to make.
Will Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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A starting point would be the cap rate. That is basically the NOI (net operating income) divided by the sales price.
Cap rates apply to all rentals, whether it's an apartment complex or a self-storage facility.
Like Will said, everyone has their own criteria on what's worthwhile to them. I personally look for cap rates greater than 10% and cash-on-cash returns of 25% or greater.
Loc R., Individual/Private Note Buyer
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I buy individual notes - all states, shapes & sizes.
As many posters know, I closed last month on the acquistion of a 550 unit self storage facility here in FL. I have to disagree with the previous posters. In this market, cap rate needs to be discounted.
I just attended (last week) a large Expo in Vegas of the self storage assn. The average occupancy is 65-80%, depending on area.
IMO, you buy today for the upside potential. It can be tremendous. When people are staying put, and not buying and selling, occupancy goes down. That is what has happened lately.
I personally believe that is just starting to change, and that is why I bought now.
The Expo was great information and you should study self storage before you buy. It is not really rental real estate you're buying. IT IS A BUSINESS, and needs to be treated as such. Rich
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Any suggestions on where to study...People like you are the only way I know how to study on this matter..
I am going to see the property on Saturday, The cost is $253000. +- The property is new. It consists of 26 units built this year an older double wide mobile, a garage and almost three acres that butt up against the national forest.. I would live in the house so that would have to be taken into effect.
Any suggestions? I am going to run figures after I see it this weekend.
Travis
This is a tough one. It is definitely a Mixed Usage property. Mobile, acreage, storage units etc. You have to break out the parts and value each separately. Can you subdivide the 3 acres? That would give it more value. Do you plan on building more? That will figur in. Rich
Rich,
Phone message left for you today. If you can, call me tomorrow.
Will B
Will Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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You should look at building one. They are really cheap to build.
I spoke to a mortgage lender and he tells me that it takes 30% down to buy a mini storage. I only have ten to fifteen thousand to my name. Not sure what my best plan of attack is. Any ideas or thoughts
Rich, if I read you right, you are saying that a 10% cap rate is too high because the storage industry is going through a temporary slump and we would be using the cap rate against temporarily low earnings. I can understand that point, but what would "normalized" earnings look like in this industry. I cannot just look at the potential earnings at the best of times, I will need to look at the earnings over a complete business cycle. Do you have any data on average occupancy rates over a number of years for this industry?
The second concern I have with storage is that it appears to be more of a "business" than many other forms of investment property. What I mean is that all investment properties, to some extent, can be considered businesses because your revenues could decline if a competitor were to build a similar property nearby, or if you mismanage the business, etc. But my gut feeling is that the business risk is higher with storage than with, say, an apartment building. For example, if one new apartment building were to come up next to mine, I would not worry as much as I would if a new storage business set itself up across the street. Please correct me if I am wrong in my perception of this industry. But if I am right, wouldn't it mean that I should use a higher cap rate for this industry in order to offset the higher risk?
Regards,
Vikram
I am just watching a webinar that talking about mini storage. It shows a MLS for a property that has 123 units for 49500 in Missouri. That sounds way too good to be true and it must not include the land. I am looking at a property with 17 units for 150,000.00 ..
Vikram- It is definitely more like running a business. There are tons of things to worry about, that you don't have with just owning rentals.Rich
You also have a lots of positive points with storage unit.
1) Almost no repairs, tenants won't call you for a toilet plug or a leaky faucet.
2) No eviction process. If tenant doesn't pay you lock his stuff and after 30 days you can sell all his stuff in auction.
3) Less Utitlities bill.
4) No fight with the neighboors.
However I still think it's 3 to 4 times cheaper to have your own storage built.
Look at the cashflow
Brian Haskins
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Rodolphe-I have to strongly disagree with you . Where do you get your 3-4 times better? Out of thin air? I bought 537 units , existing last month. I also just attended the Self storage Expo in your fair town of Vegas last week abd spoke to actual developers, owners, suppliers etc for 3 days.
You may get land and materials cheaper currently, but your lease up time frame will be scary. Storage units need real estate activity to fill up. When buyers aren't buying and sellers aren't selling, occupancy drops big time.
There are a lot of projects out there in trouble currently. I assure you that you absolutely can't build for the same price that you can purchase currently,,,period. There are tremendous existing properties out there for sale at a fraction of what it will cost an investor to have 1 built. There were over 800 facility owners sharing info last week and I learned a lot.
I do agree with the good points on buying a facility, except the auction part. I attended a high powered legal session at the Expo and the rules and laws have changes regarding that. Be careful on your assumption or advice that the auction process is slam dunk. It is not.
I'm looking at a second existing facility with over 500 units that I may buy for under 2 mil. Unless you can build that for $200 per unit, you won't be 3-4 times less. Rich in Fl.
Out of curiosity, is there a ballpark figure in the current economy for self storage constrxn costs per unit?
Any good reading on self storage investing to recommend? Seeing what has happened with them in my area in the last decade, looks like a great business to me!
Rich, do you think you might be interested in writing an article or blog about self-storage units? It can add a lot of value to many of us and to the BP site in general.
I understand that writing an article takes a lot of time, so if you are too busy to do it, please PM me and perhaps we can work together on an article.
Regards,
Vikram
I'll try to enter a new thread later today on self storage, maybe a blog instaead. Which would be better for this?