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Real Estate Investor · Brooklyn, New York


I have the opportunity to pick up a 3/2,1300 sq ft. home with an attached 1 car garage home in the Vero Highlands area of Vero Beach, FL from an estate sale. It was built in the late 70s and it's a brick house that sits on a 1/4 acre lot. It's not going to win any beauty contests, but it's not a bad looking house either. It does have a brand new roof, but from what I understand It needs quite a bit of work done to be rent ready:

- Needs Central Air installed. I think the ducts are in and only unit needs to be installed, but then again, maybe the whole system needs to be replaced (don't know yet)

- It is not connected to city water, so that would need to be done. Don't know what's involved with that but I suspect it's not cheap.
- Carpet / tile throughout
- Updated kitchens and bathrooms.
- New driveway
- Water heater is jimmy-rigged to 2 110v outlets. This needs to be corrected.
- Electrical outlets throughout may need updating

Not knowing the first thing about rehabbing, my simple question is what should one expect a rehab project like this cost? Especially the whole getting city water bit. I imagine that will require digging up the yard and what not, which means I will also have to pay someone to come re-landscape at some level, am I correct?

He's a very motivated seller and I know I can buy the house at 20-30% of ARV. If I were a savvy guy, what should my next steps be? What questions would someone smarter than me ask? I have the cash for the deal and can close the deal on a whim, basically. Just don't know if I should...

What do you think, BiggerPockets?


Real Estate Investor · Brooklyn, New York


that's what she looks like.


Real Estate Investor · Amarillo, Texas


If its really at 20-30% of ARV you should probablly purchase it quick.. these deals do stay around long, why not wholesale the property to someone who has more experience and just pocket a little bit and move on..
is the property on a well? is there water near by?
water heater work isnt too much,
kitchens and bathrooms, need updating? gutting?
carpet/tile is easy..
why does it need a new driveway? is there foundation damage to the property?
Just depends on if that 20-30% ARV is correct or not.. dont even know where vero beach is but most of florida is pretty hard hit.. just make sure the ARV is todays ARV! seems like a winner to me?


Real Estate Investor · Brooklyn, New York


Well. I don't know what the actual ARV is. I'm just going off of cursory research on what's sold recently in the area. I could be way off. The purchase price could very well be 30-40% ARV, and if it was, would you still say jump on it?

Maybe the whole driveway doesn't actually need to be replaced. The problem is entirely cosmetic and pretty much confined to a specific section of the driveway. There very well could be a far less expensive solution, but I'm just trying to consider worst case scenarios.

Thanks a bunch for your feedback. Much appreciated.


Real Estate Investor · Vero Beach, Florida


Josh,
Give me a shout it you want I will pull some MLS info up for you. I am in Vero Beach. Vero Beach Highlands is a good area. Its a community of about 2500 homes with paved roads. There are a few streets that are a little rough.


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


How has the water been supplied for the last 30+ years and why does it now need to be connected to the city main? You would need to schedule a meter installation with the water dept. They (usually) will tap into the main line and install a meter on the property. It is your responsibility to run from the meter to the house. Meter costs vary by jurisdiction but you could be looking at several thousand just for the meter and probably at least two weeks wait time from the time you pay. You will be running either 1" or 3/4" copper to the house so I don't know that you will need to re landscape.


Real Estate Investor · Brooklyn, New York


Brian-

Thank you for your response. The owner of the house was a bit old-fashioned and to be honest, cheap. When the city came through offering to connect the property to city water, the owner refused because it was too expensive. Even when they offered to do it for free, he declined because he didn't want the water bill. You get the idea. That reminds me. There's a well on the premises that is probably contaminated, and I would absolutely need to do whatever it took to remove any possible liability issues in the future.

I'm sure that as I gather more details on the property and go and check it out, and get a better idea of what I'm dealing with, what course of action I should take will become evident. Hope so anyway.


Real Estate Investor · Amarillo, Texas


So the whole house is supplied by the well correct? J/W as I've never experienced that. I'd think it might lead to other problems such as sewer line?
Is the well currently functional? Pump and everything working correct? Unsure
where the well is in relation to the house but generally in an older house the city water would be in the alley and you'd be required to run pipe from the alley (meter) to the property. Had my pipes replaced on one of my houses cost me $2000 to replace approx 120 ft from house to alley. just to give you a guesstimate. Unsure what pressure the well would deliever the water at but atleast locally any time you mess with the meter there going to pressure text the whole system. Not sure what it has to test to but its alot higher then the system would normally run under..
-Scott


Real Estate Investor · Amarillo, Texas


What do you believe the ARV is on the house? one thing ive learned on my cheap rentals is work generally cost the same on a 20,000 house or a 100,000 house..
if its a 200,000 house and even lets say purchase price is 50%- $100,000 that leaves you with a big ballpark for profit and the avaiblilty to do a few couple thousand dollar repairs that you wernt sure if they were needed. If the property is worth 20,000 and you purchase at 50%, $10,000 it leaves you with tiny amount of profit and a $3000 water line could eat up most of your profit.

Replacing a 100' water line on my $20,000 house would generally cost the same as replacing a 100' water line on a $200,000 house.
Hope this helps?
-Scott


Real Estate Investor · Brooklyn, New York


Hi Scott....

Thanks for the input.

Originally I thought ARV would be around 100K, but maybe it's closer to 80-90K. I'm picking it up for 25K.

As for how water is currently being routed to the house and the condition of the well, I have no idea. I'm assuming the worst. I'm going down to check out the situation next week to assess the full scope of the problem. While I'm down there, I'm going to meet with a GC and plumber to sort it all out. I figure If I can get the entire problem solved for under 5K, and update the rest of the house for < 25K, then it may be worth my while to take on the project. Otherwise I'll probably wholesale it and be on my way...

Josh


Title Representative · Fort Lauderdale, Florida


Hi, if you need a second opinion, or just additional information, my brother is a Licensed Plumber and is contracted by the city of Orlando for city work. He does residential, contracting... all of that good stuff. You can give him a call and he can tell you very close at what to expect without even making the trip. I'll be happy to give you his number.



'you' can contact the city from your home far away and aprox. locate 'where' the water has to come from. IF it is across a paved street and you have to dig,tamp and replace paving,,your talking one thing,,,if its from a gravel alley 100 foot away it is pretty simple.

You can google earth and aprox distance. If you have to go a block or so,,,probably not feasible and you better double check that well for working condition and pull some water samples. Nothing wrong with a good working well, on GOOD water.

People buy those all the time. Dont 'assume' it is all bad. concentrate on what really is bad. Have another set of eyes to check things out for you.

Maybe a home inspection would be a good investment before you spend more on travel.

Network and have someone from HERE look at things THERE!!! and nail down some good comps.

Looks like a nice house to me!!!


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