Registration is now open for our Wholesaling and Fix & Flip Bootcamps. Register Now!

Hide this

Login required

Jump to Category View All

Click a category below to view different forum categories.

BiggerPockets

General Info

Rss10 BiggerPockets Q&A, Site Questions, & Announcements

964 topics, 7692 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 05:05AM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Exclusive PRO Area

10 topics, 73 posts — Last Post 02/06/12, 09:15PM

Rss10 New Member Introductions

4490 topics, 25666 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:08AM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Success Stories

142 topics, 1632 posts — Last Post 01/28/12, 09:34AM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Real Estate Investing Summit

16 topics, 560 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 04:23PM

General Real Estate

General Real Estate

Rss10 Buying Real Estate

1195 topics, 9025 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:36AM

Rss10 Selling Real Estate

303 topics, 2364 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:05AM

Rss10 Renters

189 topics, 1529 posts — Last Post 12/28/11, 05:55AM

Rss10 Get Foreclosure Help - Help Stop Foreclosure Forum

218 topics, 1728 posts — Last Post 02/02/12, 10:07PM

Rss10 Home Owner Association (HOA) Issues & Problems Forum

105 topics, 662 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 09:42AM

Rss10 Do it Yourself

312 topics, 2699 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 07:25PM

Reviews & Feedback

Rss10 Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice

1555 topics, 12281 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:34AM

Rss10 Real Estate Guru, Book & Course Reviews and Discussions

677 topics, 6769 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 09:59AM

Rss10 Ask About A Real Estate Company

309 topics, 4634 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 03:12PM

Real Estate Investing

Real Estate Strategies

Rss10 Wholesaling

2406 topics, 18098 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:20PM

Rss10 Rehabbing and House Flipping

1478 topics, 12679 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 11:27AM

Rss10 Real Estate Development

190 topics, 1025 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:14AM

Rss10 Pre-Construction & New Home Construction

85 topics, 530 posts — Last Post 01/10/12, 07:04PM

Rss10 Innovative Strategies

328 topics, 2306 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 09:59AM

Rss10 Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Discussion

435 topics, 2411 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 02:29AM

Rss10 Rent to Own a.k.a. Lease Purchase, Lease Options

341 topics, 2086 posts — Last Post 02/07/12, 07:38PM

Rss10 1031 Exchanges

58 topics, 316 posts — Last Post 12/17/11, 05:10PM

Foreclosure Investing

Rss10 General Foreclosure & Pre-Foreclosure Forums

1096 topics, 6537 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:07AM

Rss10 HUD, VA, and Tax Sales

197 topics, 1221 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:34PM

Rss10 REOs

922 topics, 7648 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:11AM

Rss10 Short Sales

1221 topics, 10052 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:07AM

Landlord & Tenant Forums

Rss10 Rental Property Questions & Landlording Issues

2940 topics, 26276 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 06:44AM

Rss10 Land & Farm Investing

116 topics, 728 posts — Last Post 01/29/12, 06:46PM

Rss10 Mobile Homes & Mobile Home Park Investing

392 topics, 2865 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 11:00AM

Real Estate Dealmaking

Rss10 Make Deals, Find Partners, Mentors & BirdDogs, etc.

3648 topics, 13401 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 09:40AM

Rss10 Promote Your Real Estate Buyer's List

152 topics, 669 posts — Last Post 01/23/12, 12:35PM

Rss10 Property Wanted

626 topics, 3019 posts — Last Post 01/19/12, 02:47PM

Rss10 Seeking Financing, Money, or Loans

1218 topics, 7344 posts — Last Post 02/03/12, 11:21PM

Rss10 Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Dealmaking

273 topics, 1990 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 02:30AM

Rss10 Bulk REO Discussion and REO Dealmaking

845 topics, 5917 posts — Last Post 02/02/12, 04:20PM

Investor Basics

Rss10 Starting Out

4060 topics, 29633 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 07:38AM

Rss10 Investor Psychology

289 topics, 4281 posts — Last Post 01/26/12, 07:52PM

Rss10 General Real Estate Investing

3057 topics, 20771 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:54PM

Rss10 Real Estate Investor Marketing

868 topics, 7051 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 04:09AM

Commercial Real Estate

Rss10 Commercial Real Estate Investing Forum

718 topics, 3839 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 09:28PM

Rss10 Multi-Family and Apartment Investing

141 topics, 1347 posts — Last Post 02/07/12, 05:47AM

Rss10 Office Investing

3 topics, 36 posts — Last Post 11/15/11, 02:42PM

Rss10 Industrial Property Investing

3 topics, 12 posts — Last Post 07/05/11, 10:41AM

Rss10 Retail Property Investing

6 topics, 42 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:19AM

Rss10 CRE Financing and Lending

17 topics, 188 posts — Last Post 01/26/12, 05:55PM

Rss10 CRE Syndication and Fundraising

25 topics, 208 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:57PM

Rss10 CRE Property Management & Leasing

2 topics, 11 posts — Last Post 12/11/11, 05:05PM

The Business of Real Estate

Real Estate Technology and the Internet

Rss10 Technology, Social Media, Real Estate & The Web

244 topics, 2018 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 06:20AM

Rss10 Real Estate Blogs & Blogging

23 topics, 278 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:01AM

Business Basics

Rss10 Goals, Business Plans & Entities

400 topics, 3913 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 07:12PM

Real Estate Finance & Legal

Financial, Tax, and Legal

Rss10 Tax, Legal Issues, Contracts, Self-Directed IRA

1210 topics, 8253 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 09:07AM

Rss10 Credit & Credit Repair

177 topics, 1444 posts — Last Post 01/25/12, 06:56AM

Rss10 Property Insurance

117 topics, 753 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:33PM

Rss10 Bankruptcy

21 topics, 110 posts — Last Post 12/09/11, 10:01AM

Loans, Mortgages, Credit Lines

Rss10 Private & Conventional Lending Discussion

1245 topics, 7163 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 10:13AM

Rss10 Creative Real Estate Financing

623 topics, 3989 posts — Last Post 01/30/12, 05:35PM

Real Estate Professionals

Real Estate Professionals

Rss10 Real Estate Agents

611 topics, 3290 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 06:32PM

Rss10 Bankers, Lenders, and Mortgage Brokers

351 topics, 1252 posts — Last Post 02/03/12, 06:47AM

Rss10 Contractors

117 topics, 626 posts — Last Post 02/08/12, 10:17AM

Local Real Estate

International Real Estate

Local Real Estate

Rss10 Local Real Estate Networking

573 topics, 3013 posts — Last Post 02/07/12, 04:58PM

Rss10 Americans & International Real Estate

138 topics, 499 posts — Last Post 12/24/11, 07:44AM

Rss10 Foreigners Buying in the USA

54 topics, 281 posts — Last Post 01/18/12, 09:33PM

Rss10 Canadian Real Estate

25 topics, 117 posts — Last Post 02/06/12, 05:17PM

Marketplace

Real Estate Marketplace

Rss10 Mortgages & Lending

388 topics, 1730 posts — Last Post 01/23/12, 02:23PM

Rss10 Residential Property, Land, & Farms For Sale

756 topics, 1414 posts — Last Post 12/26/11, 01:22PM

Rss10 Real Estate Events & Happenings

113 topics, 453 posts — Last Post 01/11/12, 05:36PM

Rss10 Commercial Properties for Sale or Lease

223 topics, 668 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:59AM

Rss10 Domains & Website Reviews

44 topics, 334 posts — Last Post 11/15/11, 09:55AM

Rss10 Classifieds - Promote your Website, Newsletter, or Product

582 topics, 2646 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 04:56PM

Off-Topic

Off Topic

Rss10 Off-Topic

1769 topics, 18866 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 08:42AM

Rss10 Housing News & Real Estate Market

647 topics, 6308 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 08:59AM

BiggerPockets Resources

Forums » Canadian Real Estate » Best place to invest?

Best place to invest? Subscribe to Best place to invest?

15 posts by 10 users

Signup


Where is the best place to invest in Canada? I've heard a lot about Edmonton and the oil sands areas, but I'm wondering if there aren't some other hidden gems out there that you guys could recommend?


Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, Texas


Hi jadeejf,

I'm not really familiar with that market. I'm sure someone in the forum can help. I suggest you continue to hunt and research.
http://www.realestateappraisals.com/s-market.html



Thanks! Hopefully I'll get some more responses here. Edmonton seems like a decent place, but it's in the middle of a resources boom, and I'd hate to see those resources run out and property values drop...


Residential Real Estate Broker


Edmonton is a great city. My sister lives out there and my Aunt and Uncle just recently purchased a place there. The market as I have been told, (I did some of the research for my Aunt and Uncle) has been flattening. The rate of return is still decent for Canadian cities but it is not flying like it used to be. I will try and find some numbers for you.

But then again maybe r2d246c could follow-up his post in this forum about Edmonton and the rest of Alberta.


Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, Texas


From what I've read, the Canadian markets attract the, traditional investor. It appears to be a solid market with slow steady growth. Canada is considered a great place for retirement and a neutral political safe haven.



Canada is a good place to invest in real estate.

For any real estate investors here, I'd love to connect.

Here is the spreadsheet I've started to use to analyize deals. I've put it together from the texbook Real Estate Finance, Theory, and Practice by Terrence M. Clauretie, and G.Stacy Sirmans. - pg. 308, as well as a mortgage calculation formulas, and tax calculation formulas.

Check it out, let me know what you think. If you're from the US, there are 2-3 changes you'd need to make ie. adding depreciation recapture tax, and changing the capital gains tax.


Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, Texas


Nice tool! Covers it all!



Originally posted by "brianwall"
Canada is a good place to invest in real estate.

For any real estate investors here, I'd love to connect.

Here is the spreadsheet I've started to use to analyize deals. I've put it together from the texbook Real Estate Finance, Theory, and Practice by Terrence M. Clauretie, and G.Stacy Sirmans. - pg. 308, as well as a mortgage calculation formulas, and tax calculation formulas.

Check it out, let me know what you think. If you're from the US, there are 2-3 changes you'd need to make ie. adding depreciation recapture tax, and changing the capital gains tax.

Thanks for the spreadsheet, it's a great start. I was going to try and create something similar (currently I have a very simple one ), but I will just steal yours :P.

Couple of small observations and questions. In Canada, you can only claim 50% of the CCA in the first year. Also, at no time, can you use your CCA to bring your income to < 0. It makes your formulas little more complicated if you want to take this into consideration :).

For your total purchase cost, why do you include the LTT, but not the other closing cost? I guess it's just a matter of preference.

Does year '0' in the spreadsheet represent the end of the first year or start of the first year? I think it has implications on the depreciation values. You have a Dep Asset Worth = 0 in year 0, yet you are claiming a depreciation in that year in your example. Can you please explain your reasoning?

Under you Tax (Savings) on Resale section, I noticed that you are subtracting the selling expenses from the sale price and then subracting the Adjusted Basis to calculate your capital gain. I think (not sure) this is incorrect. The selling expense does not count as a capital expense (please double check with CRA), so you can't use it to reduce your capital gain.

Last thing, then i'll stop criticizing :lol: , is just FYI. It looks like the mortgage calculation formula in excel assumes monthly compounding, but in Canada, the mortgage is compounded semi-anually. You basically have to calculate an effective interest rate and give that to Excel to give a more accurate monthly payment calculation. But hey, the way it is now, if the numbers work with monthly interest compounding, they will definately work more favorably with semi-annual compounding so it's not a big deal.

Great to see a 'canadian based' spreadsheet. Thanks again for sharing.



Couple of small observations and questions. In Canada, you can only claim 50% of the CCA in the first year. Also, at no time, can you use your CCA to bring your income to < 0. It makes your formulas little more complicated if you want to take this into consideration :).

Thanks for the help on this. I got the information from a US textbook, and obviously didn't know this fact (starting out). I'll make that change.

For your total purchase cost, why do you include the LTT, but not the other closing cost? I guess it's just a matter of preference.

Not a matter of preference, more a matter of what was recommended to me - Flat 1.5% closing fees, however what would you recommend?

Does year '0' in the spreadsheet represent the end of the first year or start of the first year? I think it has implications on the depreciation values. You have a Dep Asset Worth = 0 in year 0, yet you are claiming a depreciation in that year in your example. Can you please explain your reasoning?

When I started, the textbook example gave a 0 year, but then half way through I started ignoring it....I'll have to make that adjustment, so thanks for the heads up.

Under you Tax (Savings) on Resale section, I noticed that you are subtracting the selling expenses from the sale price and then subtracting the Adjusted Basis to calculate your capital gain. I think (not sure) this is incorrect. The selling expense does not count as a capital expense (please double check with CRA), so you can't use it to reduce your capital gain.

Thanks, I'll check that one out.

Last thing, then i'll stop criticizing , is just FYI. It looks like the mortgage calculation formula in excel assumes monthly compounding, but in Canada, the mortgage is compounded semi-annually. You basically have to calculate an effective interest rate and give that to Excel to give a more accurate monthly payment calculation. But hey, the way it is now, if the numbers work with monthly interest compounding, they will definitely work more favorably with semi-annual compounding so it's not a big deal.

Cool, yeah - I had used a US based example from the Net, so I'll make that change as well!

Thanks so much for the help, Criticism, whichever it is, the bottom line is we all want to make money from real estate investing, so any improvements are just an addition to our bottom line, or decision making effecting our bottom line. In other words, keep them coming if there is reason to change it, I want to know.

I'll post the revised edition when its done, please anyone else, or yourself Mpfree, if there is anything else, let me know.



Here is the updated Canadian Version.

Hope it meets the standard. Let me know if you find a bug!


Renter


I would also consider looking on the east coast where prices are much much lower and there has been a boom in the energy sector. I'm in Saint John and for 2007 my little city was in the top 5 (maybe it was top 3) cities in Canada for real estate growth.


· TX


I'll go for Toronto


Real Estate Investor


NE Edmonton and NE of Edmonton is suppose to be good.
Windsor, Ontario has some cheaper properties i hear.
Some places on Vancouver Island as well.
You can search across Canada on the Real Estate MLS website to get a better feel for what is out there.

I am looking to go south to JV with partners for Las Vegas, Phoenix and near Orlando. Instead of renting a property to a local for $1000 a mo, you rent the same house to a vacationer for $1000 a week. See where i am going???
Since 2005, I have purchased a mtn home that tripled in value and a Sask house that has doubled and then some. Also did a JV with a flip cabin in Sask on the lake. That should net between 50 and 100% of profit as well. I think U.S. destination areas are a good place to go next.


Real Estate Investor


There is no shortage of property in alberta to invest in. It depends what you are looking for. single family homes, vacation condos, multi family or commercial. There is lots of everything these days, and as long as the oil industry continues to " fuel" the activity, it should continue.
Over the last few years, prices have been increasing dramatically but has stabilized some lately.
I've lived in Edmonton and Calgary and have owned homes to the NE of Edmonton. for me I like to be close to the properties I own as I look after them for the most part.
I did however buy 3 in Saskatchewan last year and feel it was a great investment. Small town about 45 minutes from Regina and close to major recreation area.
As I'm not into big dollar places, I have to avoid most of Alberta as the prices have gotten too high for my pockets. My own home has doubled in value the last few years. Had it been priced like that when I bought, I doubt I would have.



I think the Canadian Market is going to continue to slow until the U.S starts to rebound, however, if you are looking to invest I would start my search out East. Provinces such as Nova Scotia have been under the radar for quite some time and people are beginning to catch on.


Sign up