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Real Estate Consultant · Denver, Colorado


Hello
When making an offer on a REO with the intention of wholesaling, is the ernest money check ever cashed and is the time alloted for your sale to another investor the 21 days till your inspection? After the inspection date I believe you are obligated to purchase the property. ( Or could lose your EM ).
Im sure the 21 days is totally sufficient if the property is a WINNER.
If your intent is to go ahead with the purchase how do you get around the inspection fee...another words do investors as a regular practice PAY an inspector to inspect the property even though its not really yours yet ...and may never be??
Straighten me out please...Thanks... :cool:
Ray


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


As soon as you have an agreed-upon contract the EM check will be cashed. As far as the selling bank is concerned, there is no other investor. You can object to the results of the inspection, and get out of the deal that way. If you don't, and don't have any other contingency, the bank will your your earnest money.

Yes, if you want an inspection, you pay an inspector to do it. This time of year in Denver you'll also pay a "dewinterization fee", typically $250. So figure about $600 for due diligence. Its part of the cost of doing business. And, yes, I've paid that on properties I ended up not buying.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Consultant · Denver, Colorado


Thanks Jon
I guess we just have to really be careful to inspect OURSELVES and decide whether to go ahead with the deal...before the official inspection...thanks again Jon.
Ray..


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


If your wholesaling with an assignment contract, your end-buyer should have to also give earnest money. In my contracts I always ask for more earnest money than I put in myself, that way, it covers some of your carrying costs and due diligence related costs.


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


I didn't think you could wholesale REO's.I thought banks didn't allow assignment contracts.


Real Estate Investor · Milpitas, California


I second Mr_Investor. As far as I know/heard, you will have to Hold the property for a few days with your private money or hard money or conventional lending and then try to sell it to your buyer investors. Sometimes you can retail it yourself to conventional buyers too (may be after rehab?).

Cheers
Ram


Renter · QUEENS, New York


I also thought you can't wholesale REO's. So, now I'm totally confused. What is the best way to go about doing this? Should I contact the bank directly or deal w/ the realtor who is handling the property? Am I supposed to tell the realtor that I'm going to wholesale the property? And how long are you required to hold the property? Does it vary from state to state? I'm sorry for all of the questions...times are hard now and I really want to get one under my belt. I thought wholesaling an REO would be great. Please advise me.

Thank you,
Tiese


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


First, since REOs are usually listed on the MLS, you have to ask yourself how you're going to buy it cheap, and find someone else to sell it to. That's not impossible, but you need to have a plan since the property is already available for many people to consider.

You can do a double close, if you can find a title company that will do the second half of the transaction.

You can also buy the property in an LLC, then sell the LLC to your end buyer. In some places, creating an LLC is time consuming and expensive. But other places, like here in CO, its five minutes and under $100.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


As Jon discussed, you can double close REO's and the LLC option is another option that I've heard about but never done. The right title agent/company is absolutely essential to the double closing process.

You do want to be aware that some Fannie Mae REO's have deed restrictions to how long you have to hold the property to sell it over a certain amount.

In my area, they put in a deed restriction that you can't resell within 90 days for more than 25% over the purchase price.


Real Estate Investor · Connecticut


You CAN wholesale an REO property. You CAN NOT assign an REO contract. You would have to double close or sell your rights to the LLC.


Real Estate Investor · Raleigh, North Carolina


How do you avoid title reasoning when doing a double close?


Real Estate Investor · Reading, Pennsylvania


The BEST way to wholesale an REO property is to set up a land trust. Then sell the beneficiary interest in the land trust to YOUR buyer/investor.

This way on paper it will look like your trust is buying the property. It is very , very hard to find out who the true owner of a land trust is.

If you try to sell an LLC rather than assign the contract of sale, the bank can easily find out who the owner of the LLC is. You can find that type of info online.

If you truly want to wholesale bank REO properties, talk to an attorney and find out more info on how to set up a land trust. It is far too detailed for this post.

I hope this was of some help!


Real Estate Investor · Colorado Springs, Colorado


If you intent is to wholesale an REO, create a new LLC to use as buyer on the contract and sell the LLC to your buyer, who closes to contract. You avoid a double close - many lenders now require you to have own good funds to close - meaning you need "flash cash" to close which cost you money, and I don't suggest a trust, as many lenders will balk at a contract with a trust as a buyer - you will lose money by never getting deals in the first place.
use the LLC - costs a couple bucks up front, but you get more deals signed and it avoids the costs of flash cash, AND if you want a business process that works every time - that is the way to do it.
Michael Jake


Real Estate Investor · Richmond, Virginia


Michael
Always good to bump into you. How do your buyers get funding to buy the LLC?

Jim


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


A hard money lender should be able to do a transaction like this. They fund the deal. The buyer uses that money to buy the LLC, then moves the property out of the LLC to their name, if necessary. In either case, the lender get a deed of trust (or mortgage) against the property.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Handyman · oakland, California


I am thinking that if you are intending on wholesaling the property, then you do so "AS IS" leaving the buyer/investor to do there own DD. If you feel you need to do an inspection to know around how much cost it will take to rehab, then I would grab a contractor friend for a rough est, and tell your buyer the APPROX repairs needed. But I find it easier to leave all that work to the buyer, letting them know that this is why the price is low, because there is work to be done.


Real Estate Investor · Richmond, Virginia


I wholesale a lot of REOs and they fall into two categories.

1. I have a private lender fund my front transaction in the double closing.

2. Sometimes my title company will allow me to do them simultaneously without any funding.... which is ideal.

The hard money lenders I am working with wont allow funding for the acquisition of the LLC because they are wanting to be sure the take-out loan for the investor is 100% set in the borrowers name. A year or two ago they would have allowed the purchase of the LLC, but not these days.

THanks for good discussions


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


Jim, that seems odd that the HML's won't allow it to be in an LLC's name. I mean as long as you still are personally guaranteeing the loan, it shouldn't make a difference to them whose name its in.

This is how most commercial loans are structured. Yes, the loan is in the company's name, but the bank will make sure that you are personally on the line for it with a personal guarantee. You have just as much liability for the loan as the company does.

Are all the HML's in your area like that?



Originally posted by Jim Ingersoll
I wholesale a lot of REOs and they fall into two categories.

1. I have a private lender fund my front transaction in the double closing.

2. Sometimes my title company will allow me to do them simultaneously without any funding.... which is ideal.

The hard money lenders I am working with wont allow funding for the acquisition of the LLC because they are wanting to be sure the take-out loan for the investor is 100% set in the borrowers name. A year or two ago they would have allowed the purchase of the LLC, but not these days.

THanks for good discussions

Jim,

Question: What's the incentive of your Private Lender in loaning you their money for such a short term?

Curious..


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


William - to answer your question, as the lender (in this case called a transactional funder) I would charge points and a fee, that is the incentive - profit!

This is something I now do for both REO and short sale investors.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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