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Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Hi all! Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Is it doable? Is it adviseable? I'm about to make an offer-in-spirit (nothing written yet) on several properties, and 2 of them have dead-beat tenants. I want to make an offer on all 5, since they're all paid off and the lady's husband is too old and sick to take care of them. What would be the best course of action? Should I not make offers on the 2 with bad tenants? Should I make the offer but figure in the cost of evicting them + 90 days holding costs? Any advice would be much appreciated! :cool:


Real Estate Consultant · Monrovia, California


I would make offers on all. Maybe on the ones with the bad tenants offer a little less or give yourself a good escape clause. Meanwhile do some research on evictions, find someone who knows evictions, or maybe introduce yourself to the tenants and negotiate...maybe offer them a clean slate if they can make this months rent.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Thanks Marcus! I'm thinking that since neither of these folks have paid in months that it may not be an option to keep them. I don't want a bad rap with my buyers. I was just figuring $5000 for an eviction and $2000 for holding costs for the 90 or so days it would take. Sound about right?


Real Estate Investor · Fort Collins, Colorado


The two with bad tenants you might be able to bring the price you offer down. You should also read the current leases with the tenants. There might be clauses that can help you in the eviction process.

The bad tenants are a great negotiating point when making the offer!

(Please keep in mind there are several other factors to consider in a real estate deal. Always consult a professional in your area)


Real Estate Consultant · Monrovia, California


To be honest I don't know the first thing about tenant evictions but there have been a few done in my real estate office by agents. I'll see if someone in my office has eviction info and send you an email. It may or may not apply depending on the property state.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Thanks Shane! I would definitely appreciate that Marcus.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Collins, Colorado


I just noticed the offer-in-spirit part. Keep in mind in some states a verbal offer might be considered a binding contract. I'm not sure if that is the case in your state.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Good call Shane. I already told her that until I come out and actually see the places, that I want to make sure I'm in the ball park. Inspecting 5 properties, 2 with tenants, would be at least a half a day worth of work for me, so I don't want to waste anybody's time if she's not on board, you know? I've had some sellers waste my time already and I'm having none of it :)


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


Problem tenants are a common component of wholesale deals. You need to learn your state's eviction laws. Search for your state's property code online or contact your local apartment association to find out the exact process. In Texas it costs about $100 and takes 18 days roughly.

I've wholesaled several properies where I do a complimentary eviction for my buyer. Most investors don't want to hassle with it but understanding the process can mean big profits for you.

You never want to keep bad tenants. They don't work out, ever. If they didn't pay the seller, they won't pay you or your buyer.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Thanks Ryan! If I'm new at this, and have no cash to evict the tenants, what about that?


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


Well if you don't have access to a couple hundred dollars to get a deal done then I think there's a bigger problem here. Its your personal finances. Making more money won't solve that problem either. You can be broke at any level. Whether you make a $100 a month or $100,000 a month, if you are living above your means you are going to be broke. If you don't change that now, it doesn't matter how much money you make in real estate.

Tell you what, Joseph, if a couple hundred dollars for an eviction is all that stands between you and getting a deal done, I'll personally loan it you when the time comes.

With interest, of course. :D


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


In many cases deadbeat tenants can be bought off using the time tested "cash-for-keys" approach.

I have used it countless times and it seems to always get a deadbeat tenant to pack up and move.

Just be sure to get a signed document indicating that this deadbest is vacating the property and has returned the keys in exchange for the cash.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Thanks Peter! I'll have to see which direction this all goes first. Ryan, I'm not exactly living beyond my means. I've been out of work for a few months. I was starting this business anyway, and at the time I had enough for a meager nest egg and monthly marketing budget, etc.
This is just a temporary situation, I'd just hate to miss out on a deal because of it, especially when it would make such a difference, you know what I mean?


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


And upon further research, IL is a very tenant-friendly state, as you might expect. So it's gonna take more than a couple of hundred bucks to get the job done. 90 days and at least a couple of thousand seems more like it. So then it's a different kind of situation than what you'd mentioned in Texas.
Under those circumstances, would you still do the same thing, or approach it a little differently?


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


Joe... I would also tell them that all of their back rent is forgiven and that their full security deposit will be returned... and then offer the cash-for-keys.

I bet tenants would be skipping out the door with that and a $500 cash incentive.

And the other cool thing about the security deposit is that you will get that credited to you at closing further reducing the purchase price... kind of like giving away someone elses money.

Man I love this stuff!


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Originally posted by Joseph Ziolkowski
Good call Shane. I already told her that until I come out and actually see the places, that I want to make sure I'm in the ball park. Inspecting 5 properties, 2 with tenants, would be at least a half a day worth of work for me, so I don't want to waste anybody's time if she's not on board, you know? I've had some sellers waste my time already and I'm having none of it :)

There may be many other problems with the properties!!!!!!
The only two of the properties that are rented both have deadbeat tennants? Maybe they are witholding rent because the landlord is not fixing anything. This could be the case as he is sickly and elderly and could explain why the other three are no longer rented.
I would be worried about the amount of needed repairs that need to be done. BE sure to take an experienced home inspector with you on your inspections so that your purchase price offer can be properly conveyed to the buyer that you wholesale it to.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Collins, Colorado


If you decide to do the deal make sure you have an exit plan in place. If you can't get the tenants out with the Cash-of-Keys method can you handle not getting rent for three months.

If it does not work it's better to pass up a deal then loss in the end.


Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Thanks guys! Shane, I plan to wholesale the deals if I do them at all. I would just get out with my inspection clause if I couldn't find a buyer. The original question was if I figured in for the cost of evicting (plus a little "hassle" money for the buyer) if I could wholesale it with a possibly bad tenant. Could be I didn't word it right at first.


Real Estate Investor · Dayton, Ohio


Originally posted by Peter Giardini
Joe... I would also tell them that all of their back rent is forgiven and that their full security deposit will be returned... and then offer the cash-for-keys.

I bet tenants would be skipping out the door with that and a $500 cash incentive.

And the other cool thing about the security deposit is that you will get that credited to you at closing further reducing the purchase price... kind of like giving away someone elses money.


Peter, Great Knowledge!!! I will be using this soon! Very soon! Putting it to the test probably this week! Joseph this was an informative thread, thanks! :mrgreen:

Inspector · Alsip, Illinois


Hey Myka! It has been an informative thread, so thank you to everyone for your advice. I don't get help anywhere like I do here :)


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