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Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


Newbie here. 2 Part Question.
Spoke with a motivated seller today about a good deal on a SFR rental home. Details below.
3 Beds / 1 Bath
ARV = $35,500
Repairs = Less than $5,000
Currently rented for $650 a month
Agreed upon price is $16,000

Just spoke with the seller on the phone and I initially offered $18K for the property. He countered at $16K if I pay all cash. I already explained to him that I would be but this definitely threw me for a loop. So I told him that sounded good and that I wanted to go over and see the property, take some pictures to show my "money partners", and sign the contract. I also told him I would probably need to bring my partners through the house at a later date. He hesitated and told me he didn't want the tenant to know he is selling so he would only be able to show me the house once and I can't take pictures of the inside. He doesn't want to have her be uneasy and spooked for no reason in case I don't close.

First Question - Should I be skeptical of this deal because of the uncommon lower counter offer and other stipulations?

Second Question - Will a buyer be likely to purchase this property from a newbie like me without being able to see the inside and only being able to go on my word and pics of the outside of the property to make a decision?


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


The end investor will want a copy of the lease so make sure you get that along with a detailed list of repairs to be made.

One way around the picture issue, have the owner tell the tenant you are with the insurance company and you need a couple of pictures to verify the property for insurance purposes...or some other story along those lines.

As long as I've done all the necessary homework, I probably wouldn't be too skeptical just because the seller was a little weird.

However, it may be difficult for you to wholesale it without you closing on it first and getting the seller out of the picture completely. As a newbie, many investors may be hesitant to trust you without verifying with their own eyes. However, if you find an investor who is very familiar with that neighborhood, knows the values, rents, etc for the area, then they may be ok without seeing it.

You would probably need to target landlords who already own in that neighborhood and market to them.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


The owner said the lease ran out and the tenant is just paying month to month but she is consistent with it. Good idea about being an insurance agent to get the pictures. I will try that. My plan was to market to landlords in the area. I have a listing of section 8 owners and absentee owners in the area I plan on marketing to. I am just trying to make this happen but this will be my first deal and I don't want to start off on the wrong foot. Thanks.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Though I understand the complex nature of needing to keep the tenant comfortable with their position in the home, I would be hesitant to represent yourself as an insurance agent. Just me thinking here but making a false representation may backfire on you. You might consider just stating that you are there to perform an estimate on reparis/upgrades or something for the owner. That could easily transition into and offer being made to purchase the asset and go from there or, if you backed out the estimate was declined. Very simple.

As for the newbie sale, the key to any sale is a clear expression of confidence and professionalism. If you put together a very nice "sale package" including your pictures with a clear time stamp if at all possible to show it is a current picture and the details of the opportunity, express confidence in presentation and not mention anything about being new to the industry, the question may not even come up. Further, the fact that the property is currently rented gives the ability to indicate and inability to do a walk through of the property.

The low counter offer may simply be in an effort to close quickly and move on. Often sellers need fast cash for their own purposes. That said, just be sure to look closely at all the key parts of the property when you go through it. Look for any signs of recent repairs and repairs that are needed, then ask a lot of questions to the seller if there are any recent repairs as to what they were and why they were needed to understand the extent of the situation. If you can combine your walk through with an appraiser friend or something, that would be an awesome opportunity but also more difficult to explain to the tenant.

Good Luck!!


Wholesaler · Valley City, Ohio


I gotta say, I thought it was a misprint when I saw the owner countered you lower. LOL! There is so much to say about this, and so little time to type it all out. I would insist on having access. You will get it if he is motivated. I would also have a weasel clause, and a 60 business day closing. I would ask the seller their real concern about the tenants finding out that the home is transferring. Deals always work better when everyone knows what is goin on.
As for investors buying from a newbie, I would not worry about it. Just have your numbers together, and no one will know the difference. I get houses from folks all of the time, and never worry about their past experience.

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Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Rob, I've seen you reference the "weasal clause" in other postings too, for the newer investors, perhaps you can explain this clause a little bit so they understand what they are looking for in the contract and an example of what it should say. Just a thought. Good advise above and on other postings, tx.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


My friends are telling me the same thing about just being firm with this guy and demanding access to the home. I know the seller is concerned about spooking his tenant. She is a single woman that has been renting from him for years. It seems he has a close relationship with her and doesn't want to upset her. Kind of like trying to break up with a longtime girlfriend...LOL. Plus it sounds like he might have had someone not close before and he is apprehensive to dive in again. I guess it is part of my job to finesse him and get him to agree. I do have a "weasel clause" in my contract. It is as follows:

8. INSPECTION:(a) Buyer shall have _______ days from Effective Date ("Inspection Period") within which to have such inspections of the Property performed as Buyer shall desire and utilities service shall be made available by the Seller during the Inspection Period; (b) Buyer shall be responsible for prompt payment for such inspections and repair of damage to and restoration of the Property resulting from such inspections; and (c) if Buyer determines, in Buyer's sole discretion, that the condition of the Property is not acceptable to Buyer, Buyer may cancel this Contract by delivering written notice of such election to Seller prior to the expiration of the Inspection Period. If Buyer timely cancels this Contract, the deposit(s) paid shall be immediately returned to Buyer; thereupon, Buyer and Seller shall be released of all further obligations under this Contract.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


Btw...looks like I won't be using the above weasel clause. I spoke with my attorney and he informed me I have to use the specfic approved contract for my area. This thing is 12 pages long. It has a property inspection addendum but it's for using a home inspector to find any faults with the property. Not sure it would work as a weasel clause. Any suggestions?


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Why would your attorney force you to use a contract you're not comfortable with? There is certainly no law that says you have to use a state approved contract (and in fact, it may be copyrighted so that you can't legally use it).

I would find another attorney who will help you draft a contract that you are comfortable with...

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Real Estate Investor · Ohio


I agree with J Scott, contracts are not state mandated to my knowledge. There are "standard" contracts but an attorney should always be able to help you draft one that meets the requirements yet can still hold additional items to be more protective to you. A contract is a contract, period. If two parties come to terms on ANY agreement, it is binding and should hold up in the courts.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Additionally, if there ARE state regulated contracts, as long as your contract has all those items in it, I don't know of any law that would prohibit you from putting additional clauses in there. Often, "standard" contracts are too one sided towards the buyer and should be balanced in the seller's favor some to. Lastly, there is important items you'll need to have in the contract for a "double closing" that will never be in a "standard" contract as the double close method is not standard.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


It sounds like collusion to me. According to my lawyer "The purchase offer that you have will not work in Monroe County. The Bar Association and the real estate Board have together reached agreement on the acceptable form for a purchase offer. Lawyers will not want to deal with an alien form that they are not familiar with."

After inspecting this contract further there is a space to write in a contingency. You think it's possible to drop my weasel clause in there. At this rate that will probably be shot down too. I am not too worried about unloading this deal but I would like to cover myself considering this is my first deal.

btw...really appreciate all the comments on this thread.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


You can certainly add your contingency to the "state approved contract". There are also many blanks in those, and you will have to slect some "value" to insert within those blanks.

Is your state one where closings are handled by attorneys?


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Is this attorney an independent one or one working with the title company? If independent, I would propose your offer and contracts to the title company and see what feedback you get. At the end of the day, it is the title company that will be the ultimate help here as they will simply not engage in a transfer that isn't compliant.

Perhaps you could list out all your contingencies in the available space, but, be sure you are protected at all costs. Last thing you need is to waste time and money fighting over a contract structure. If your buyers are wanting to move forward, this shows that they have money to spend and want to spend it. Use that momentum to redirect them to a better deal in a better location that is more flexible in putting these deals together. No deal is ever really easy, but, you do need to gage when it is too much. Check with the title company and if they'll proceed with the transfer as a double closing, using your contracts, then you can decide if the risk is managable to you or not (not managable being that in a claim issue, your attorney, if independent, will likely not represent it after advising not to use your contracts). Just my two cents.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester, New York


He is an independent lawyer. He is an experienced real estate investing lawyer but not sure if he represents many wholesalers. It seems he usually handles closings for investor buyers.

@Steve....That's exactly how it is. You check a box under the contingency section to which ones you want to use in the contract. For example the Mortgage Contingency, the Property Inspection contingency I spoke of earlier, and a blank one for a write in contingency. Yes in NY all real estate transactions are handled by an attorney.




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