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Wholesaler · Detroit, Michigan


Good evening investors. I have been trying to flip my first house for the past 12 months to no avail. :roll: The bottom line always seems to be that I cant come up with the EMD (I've been laid off from my day job and my debt is steadily rising) to hold the property in place while i market to a buyer. I am wondering if my new strategy will work: :idea: I plan on doing JV deals with local successful investors, in which, I will find the property, do all of the due diligence and find the end buyer. All I am asking is for the investor to fully fund the deal, from EMD to close. Is this a good idea? Would investors be willing to partner with me on this strategy? I am desperate here people. I am really eager to get up and running. :wink:


Residential Real Estate Agent · Syracuse, Utah


Anything will work if you can get someone to agree to it.

Do you have investors you know that want to invest in Real Estate?

Do you know someone (not a Real Estate Investor)who has $500 or $1000 or $2000 that would like to invest it with you?

You could turn anyones money into EMD and pay them $100 or $500 if the deal goes through or double their money if it goes through but nothing if it doesn't, just mkae sure you have you're contingencies so you don't lose your EMD.

Warren Buffet's 2 rules work best:
1 - Don't lose money
2 - Don't lose money

Good Luck


Wholesaler · Detroit, Michigan


I was thinking about partnering with other local wholesalers actually. And I think I know more investors than non-investors willing to part ways with their money for a few days. And those rules are spot on!


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


If the issue is that you can't come up with the EM, here are two solutions -- at least one of which should work for you:

1. Find deals that don't require much EM. In my experience, if it's not an REO or a HUD deal, you really shouldn't have to come up with more than $100 for EM for any private transaction with a motivated seller;

2. If you really want to do an REO or HUD deal, and need $500-1000 for EM, sell some stuff to get the money. Honestly, if you can't figure out how to come up with $1000 and aren't confident enough in being able to wholesale a deal where you're willing to sell stuff to get the $1000, you're probably not ready to start doing deals.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but if $1000 is the only thing that's been standing between you and this business for the past 12 months, it doesn't sound like you have your priorities in line.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


How about a promissory note due at closing, or some time when you can assign the deal. Realistically, you can't close anyway so all EM will do is clog up the sellers title which won't help you unless you have a buyer.

Don't feel bad. Have been there when the grand just isn't there.

Do you have buyers? Find out what is needed then find it. Maybe an agreement with one of them as a bird dog fee is appropriate for you.


SFR Investor · Ocala/Belleview, Florida


If I am dealing with a homeowner I almost never put down more than $10.

Any amount of money will give you interest in the property, even one dollar. Only when using a Realtor do I use $1000 or more.


Wholesaler · Detroit, Michigan


Thanks guys. And J dont worry about being to harsh. That needed to be said. I totally get why you would say it. I was watching youtube last night, and I seen this video where Dennis Marshall said that you can sell a house without actually having it under contract by advertising it with bandit signs. That will get the phone ringing. Has anyone ever tried this method? Also, I am trying to do REOs and HUDs, and I am constantly told by realtors up here that I need an EMD to submit with the offer... However when I talk to out of state investors, they tell me that I dont, especially with HUDs. Am I missing something here?


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Local customs can vary, so what works here might not work there. When you offer on a REO, you don't actually have to hand over the EM with the offer. Put "earnest money to be provided by certified funds within 48 hours of mutually executed contract." Then, if you do get an acceptance, you have to come up with the EM. No contract - no EM.

On HUDs, at least around here, if you do get an accepted contract, your EM is committed. If you don't close, for any reason, you won't get your EM back.

If you're trying to buy of the MLS you're probably going to need significant EM. If you do your own marketing and come up with your own sellers you may be able to get away with significantly less EM.

I think you're looking for someone to lend you $1000 for EM on a wholesale deal. I think that's a hard sell. That's a tiny bit of cash for an investor, so even if you pay 20% interest the return is very small. The loan is totally unsecured. If your deal falls through, the investor is out of luck. Instead of trying to buy off the MLS, get a foreclosure notice list and start knocking on doors.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Wholesaler · Detroit, Michigan


I wonder could this work as well: Ok so, I have a pretty nice sized buyers list (dont ask me how I got this without closing a single deal yet). I think I could (and this goes back to the whole selling the property without having it under contract concept) market the property to my buyers list via video marketing- without listing the address, that way the buyer has no way of going around me in the deal, or finding out how much the property is listed for on the MLS. Do you think this would work?


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Generally, with REOs, listing agents will require that you submit a personal check with the contract for the EM. This check (I actually just submit the same photocopy of a check with every contract) is never cashed, and if you get an acceptance on the deal, you'll be required to provide certified funds in lieu of the personal check.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


Wholesaler · Detroit, Michigan


And what is the time frame on giving the actual EMD?


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


When the contract is accepted. By the time you actually get word the contract has been accepted, you'll usually need to run to the bank and get a certified check.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
When the contract is accepted. By the time you actually get word the contract has been accepted, you'll usually need to run to the bank and get a certified check.

At *MOST* 48 hours after acceptance...

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


Real Estate Investor · Arlington, Texas


I don't know about REOs, but if you are dealing with private sellers, the only reason to even have EM at all is to provide consideration for the contract. Otherwise the contract would not be binding. As Rodney said, shouldn't need to be more than $10.00 - just something to satisfy "consideration". The wholesaler I bought my house from used $25.00 as EM and gave that money to the title company to hold until the deal closed.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Brian Hoyt
I don't know about REOs, but if you are dealing with private sellers, the only reason to even have EM at all is to provide consideration for the contract. Otherwise the contract would not be binding.

As has been discussed before on BP, earnest money is not necessary as consideration for a real estate contract. Just the promise to buy (and sell) is consideration enough to contractually bind the parties.

So, in theory, if you can convince the sellers not to accept any EM, you can get away with absolutely none.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


Real Estate Investor · Arlington, Texas


J Scott,

My bad. That is just what I learned in a construction contracts and liabilities class - that no judge would uphold a contract that had no consideration for an agreement. I don't have personal experience in court regarding anything beyond traffic tickets, though. :D


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Brian Hoyt
J Scott,

My bad. That is just what I learned in a construction contracts and liabilities class - that no judge would uphold a contract that had no consideration for an agreement. I don't have personal experience in court regarding anything beyond traffic tickets, though. :D

This is a pretty common misconception; and to be honest, the only reason I know it is that it was a recurring topic as part of my licensing class.

As you mentioned, consideration *IS* a required part of any contract, but specifically for real property transactions, just the *PROMISE* to buy or sell is considered consideration enough.

That said, I think even most attorneys would suggest putting down EM, even if it's technically not required for a valid contract.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
http://www.123flip.com


· Cordova, Tennessee


You have to really get you mental game together the EMD isn't the problem,IT IS You.(with Love.) It hard to do business when a person's energy is all desparate and negative. People can read that like a book honey, It just repels people. I would suggest get some good reading material LIKE NEVILLE Goddard... he has audio on youtube listen to it. get yourself together and try again. I wouldn't trust you with $5.00 let alone $500. I understand I have been there.




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