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Forums » Wholesaling » No buyer... Should I cancel this deal??

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Wholesaler · Raleigh, North Carolina


I have a rehab property under contract at 41 cents on the dollar with approx 15-18K needed in repairs, and my last day of the due diligence period is next Friday.
I've tried quite a bit to find a buyer, but no bites as of yet. Here are a few things I've tried:

- Send e-mail blast to buyers list. Rehabbers and other wholesalers.
- Post about 7 different ads on Craigslist, and repost the ads that have aged.
- Used SellPoint to blast the property out to about 17 various listing sites, including Trulia, Yahoo Real Estate, Local.com, eHouseAds, Lycos, etc..
- Sent a separate direct e-mail and/or called everyone on my buyer's list to see if anyone had any friends, partners or buyers that would be interested.
- Networked with members here and on other REI forums.
- Contacted members that I've met at my local REIA... and planning to attend a meeting next week.
- Dropped the price quite a bit, down to a 2K assignment.
- Called the court house for the next auction, but the next one will not be until end of this month.
- I had bandit signs out, but they have been taken down.

The property is in a rural area and several of the callers were from the area and knew the house, but were not interested. Others do not want to work that far from the city.

I am fairly new and this would be my first deal. Through my marketing of this property, I have added many to my buyers list, but no one for this particular property.

Lesson learned from this experience is to only contract a property in the areas where my buyers want to buy. This will be the last one in a rural area unless I have a specific buyer for the area.

I truly do not want to cancel and would take a lower assignment if needed, just to get the deal closed. What am I missing? Does anyone have ideas that I haven't tried or should I just cancel this one and move to the next?


Wholesaler · Atlanta, Georgia


I'm new to this as well but I have a suggestion. Maybe you should try marketing the deal to some out of state buyers through craigslist or other approach. If the deal is good and you can present it to them showing exactly how they will profit and what the potential return could be then they may want to jump on it. It's worth a try anyway.


Rehabber · Mooresville, North Carolina


The question I would have is 41 cents on what dollar? Is that a concrete subject to appraisal or just a Trulia number. Secondly, did you get a real quote for repairs or is it your estimate. Whats the ROI if I rent it. The real numbers would give me a reason to buy.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


I don't care how far away the subject property is or how large or small the rehab is, at 41 cents on the dollar, it would be a no-brainer for anyone.

With that said, since you have described such difficulty finding a buyer, I am willing to bet $500,000 that your "41 cents on the dollar" is not even close to accurate. All you need is one or two buyers on your list to sell such a great spread, in fact, you don't have to sell it at all, it sells itself.

True "cents on the dollar" are calculated by identifying the true, reasonable, and accurate after repair value, and deducting the true and accurate rehab costs to bring the subject property to that ARV.
If the purchase price was plus rehab costs were actually 41% of the exit value, you would have 100 buyers waiting in line to bid up the price!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


You should NEVER lock up a property that you dont plan on closing. You should be prepared to close no matter if you have a buyer. This is how professionals like many of us get a bad name b/c people always backing out of deals. Get your private lender ( if you have one ) to make you a loan to purchase. Why not try taking the property to a wholesale company and take a small finders fee? At your numbers if correct it should be no problem. If you are not prepared to close, please stop locking up property.

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Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


If you are not prepared to close, please stop locking up property.
Curt, while I agree that backing out of contracts makes a bad name for yourself, I would have to say that I love when other investor buyers (or wannabies) back out, it opens the door for me to come in with my lower cash offer and 100% closing history and guarantee to the seller (through large non-fefundable EMD) that I will close. They often jump at that offer so it ends up working out in my favor!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Wholesaler · Raleigh, North Carolina


Tivon: Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't thought about out of state buyers.

Brent: Property value is an estimate based on the tax value, zillow, realtor.com and comps. Repair costs are also estimates.
AVR: $75,000
Asking: $31,500
ROI is listing as 7% as a rental, with $16K profit as a flip.


Wholesaler · Raleigh, North Carolina


I greatly appreciate all of the feedback.

Don't get me wrong, at the contract signing, I had every intention to close the deal. As mentioned before, this would make my first deal and I do NOT want to back out if I don't have to.


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


That might be the problem. You're estimating the value on tax assessments and online comps which is a no no when it comes to wholesaling.

You need to base the ARV from the recent sold comps from the target area.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Tax assessments have nothing to do with actual current values - never use them for such a thing. Zillow's "zestimates" and Realtor.com values are often off my a large margin, never rely on them for exit values. The ONLY way to evaluate a subject property's exit value is to pull actual sold comps from the MLS (using your own or someone's access - agent, title company, service provider) and the comps must be within the last 3-4 months, within 1/2 mile and have similar beds/baths and square footage.

Discovering what other like kind properties sold for in good condition is how to evaluate the subject property's after repair value.

As for rehab estimates, if you do not know how to properly do it, find someone who can assist you. Being accurate on this is essential inorder to make proper offers.

Now that you know that, using proper math is also essential. The ask price of $31,500 plus your stated rehab costs of $18k makes the total "all-in" costs at $49,500. With your stated exit value of $75k, that makes it a 66% deal, not 41%. At exit values below $100k, it is necessary for rehab flippers to be at no more than 70% all in and likely at 65% or better. So, if the numbers you posted were actually accurate, then a 66% deal should sell. Since it did not, it is likely because the rehab is higher than $18k, or the ARV is lower than $75k, or a combination of the two.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · 30906, Georgia


Don't close the deal just yet. Slap up some signs all around your city with the house details on it. Have the calls go to google voice.

Then text message all the cell phone numbers the details of the house. I would make a video of the home and have the link in the text message so they can see the home without going to it.


Wholesaler · Raleigh, North Carolina


Thank you all very much, I greatly appreciate your feedback.

Since this property is in a rural area, good comps are very hard to come by. However, by extending the radius a bit (5 miles), I was able to find a recent sale at $78,000 similar to this property.

There is another property for sale by another investor 7 miles away for $17K more than what I have this one listed for. However, there is more land associated and from the pictures the condition seems to be similar but actual is unknown.


Real Estate Investor · Bellingham, Washington


These are all good suggestions. I would see f you can assign to another wholesaler and take a small profit and move on to the next one.


Real Estate Investor · Methuen, Massachusetts


Instead of contacting people you meet at the AREIA events, ask to present the deal in front of everyone at the next meeting (if its before the due diligence period ends).


Real Estate Investor · Goshen, Kentucky


Marlena - Why don't use ask for an extension of time to close and continue looking for a buyer?

Also, I agree with putting up some signs. Go to a sign shop and get some blank corrugeted signs. Make up some "Must sell - Cash" signs with your phone number and put them up in the area. You might shake out a buyer.

One more thing, have you listed it here on BiggerPockets? I once found a buyer here.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


You say you have had callers who knew the house and weren't interested. That's a big red flag that the value is not there. Will did the math, and if your numbers are correct, its an acceptable deal. I think he missed your assignment fee, though, which makes this a 69% deal.

But if your numbers are off even a few grand this is no longer a deal. The fact comps are hard to come by is a big negative, too. That means an appraiser will have trouble finding comps. It also means just one sale could have a big influence on the eventual value, if there is a lowball sale that would crop as a comp between when the rehabber bought it and when they finally get a sale.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


There continues to be a lot of advice here regarding how to find buyers for this deal. That is obviously not the problem or issue at hand, it is the numbers of the deal.

As I stated before, such a deal will need to be around 65% and at face value presented, it is at 66% (plus your assignment fee as Jon pointed out). If other buyers familiar with the area have already passed on it, it is likely that all others will as well and ONLY because of price. So, to get this deal done, you will have to re-negotiate the price so that you can create enough spread to make it a worthwhile deal.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · Texarkana, AR


Marlena place an ad in the largest newspaper in your area. Example:

Handyman Special! Must see 3bd/2ba 2car garage Won't last long, my loss is your gain. Call Now for details 555-5555

Make sure to answer your phone, do not use voice mail.


Wholesaler · Raleigh, North Carolina


The numbers above include the assignment fee. I initially had it listed higher with wiggle room for negotiating, but have come down on the assignment to get it moved. I'd rather take a $1500 assignment than having to cancel.

Re-negotiating the contract may be the solution. However, before doing that, I'm going to call the rehabbers that live in the area that have passed over the deal to see what they would be willing to pay for the property.

One thing I have noticed, is that there is not much negotiating on price from other investor buyers. Most requests are on terms, in regard to owner financing. Is it common for investor buyers to Not negotiate price with the wholesaler?




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