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Real Estate Consultant · Atlanta, GA


REOs:
$5M BPO with a $2M takedown. That's 40 cents on the dollar. They are located in 3 midwestern states. The average bpo is about $25,000. 180 properties.

Notes:
I have access to a huge inventory of notes that can be split up and tailored to your needs. There are 380 notes available. The average ltv is 80% and the payor's have high fico scores. These loans were originated in the last year. The collateral is mostly SFR and concentrated in western states and Florida. Other states are available.

PRINCIPALS, Please call me or email me for more information. I am an intermediary. Relationships are everything- do not waste my time or my associate's time. You will need to sign an NC/ND and a Master Fee Agreement. Also you need to be able to produce an open LOI and POF from a top 25 bank.

With these documents, you will be put in direct contact with the bank so that you can your due diligence.

Regards,

Stephen James
The Foresight Group, Inc.
(o) 404-587-2467
(f) 404-530-6251



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Real Estate Consultant · Atlanta, GA


Flipper, Here's what Joshua Dorkin had to say about you:

" James was one of the moderators on BiggerPockets and has been a long-standing member of the community. He is very knowledgeable about real estate and is a great person to turn to for advice. Always willing to help out a newbie, James can be counted on to step up and share what he knows when someone needs something. With working experience in many different areas of real estate, James is a great resource.(Josh Dorkin-Founder-Bigger Pockets)

Given the above, how would you prefer that I advertise notes and bulk REO offerings? You don't seem to like the previous post. Do you not like brokers? I disclosed that. Do you know anyone who may be interested in the assets I described? Yourself perhaps? The procedures are just to be sure that people are serious.

I introduced myself in the new members section.

This is supposed to be a place where we can all learn and have bigger pockets right? Instruct me, Master Yoda. As sarcastic as that sounds, I am serious.

Or is this just another place where we have counterproductive flame wars?

You're the senior man here, you decide.


Real Estate Investor · Vancouver, Washington


Steven,

I read your post with interest. $5M bpo for $2M. I have to assume that these are non performing notes, but you didn't bother to tell us this small detail. Are they first lien or seconds or a mix? Not a real important factor, but probably one that would be helpful.

Then you go on to mention that you have other notes averaging 80% ltv so I got to assume that they are first position. Borrowers are high fico score buyers originated in the last year. Again I have to assume that these are still performing notes, but you never know. I have met more than one person who paid only one payment on a mortgage, and even one who never paid one.

Relationships are everything as you say, I am not so sure that I am relating to you very well so far. But you don't have to impress me. But I am curious, what exactly do you do for your part of the Master Fee Agreement you mention? Other than telling the mandate to call me or whoever that is. I may want to be an intermediary someday when I grow up. I have heard there is big cash in being an intermediary, but I am just not sure what they do.

O by the way, you know when you assume, you make an ass out of U and Me.


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


This is not the place for flame wars. PERIOD. I'm not sure what was posted to make you ask that, Stephen, but it appears that the post has since been edited.

My guess is that James was commenting with skepticism about your post because we've had a LOT of nonsense here on the Bulk forum. That said, there is no reason why we can't all have a productive discussion.

Lets please move forward with that discussion, everyone.

Thanks,
Josh

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Real Estate Consultant · Atlanta, GA


Joshua,
The comment about flame wars was directed at the tone of flipper's last post. I deemed it unnecessarily negative. I understand the cynicism, but I don't appreciate it because it has nothing to do with me or my track record.

MOVING ON,

Tim,

The REOs are not notes. They are " real estate owned" properties that the bank has foreclosed on. These particular properties are low property value properties in midwestern states. Hence, 180 properties for $2MM. Cheap, huh? The bank employs an agent(s) to do a Broker Price Opinion. This particular bank has then said we will sell all of them for a percentage of the total value as defined by the BPOs. You see REOs all the time when you drive through the neighborhood and see vacant houses with an agent's sign in the yard. However, they can be sold in bulk and that is what is happening here.

The BPO (total value per the agent) on the properties is $5M. The bank will sell the total portfolio for $2M. Get it?
[b]
As for the notes[/b]: These are performing notes. That detail is important. Thank you, Tim. People with 700 credit scores don't have a habit of making one mortgage payment :D . Yes, they are first position notes. Very few people want second liens (notes) because the first lien must be satisfied before the second mortgage lien holder gets paid (in the event of foreclosure).

As for the Master Fee Agreement (commission agreement), you present the deal, sometimes you facilitate the deal and answer questions. Finding qualified and interested buyers takes work. However, many times a buyer will just sign the noncompete docs and have you bow out so that they can do their due diligence. My partners and I typically charge around 2% of the takedown (buy) price, but that's sometimes negotiable. As with any consulting business, you leverage your knowledge and relationships to make money.

Please feel free to ask more questions, Tim. Let me know if I missed something.

Thank you, Tim and Joshua. Let's live possibility and positivity people. That's the way to make great things happen


Real Estate Consultant · Atlanta, GA


James,

All of this begs the question. How would you have it done? You keep talking about institutional buyers. Who says that the buyer will be institutional? Most of the time, yes, but not necessarily. That pool can be carved. My mentor sold a $20MM pool in this way to an investor in Germany :D. Too bad I don't speak German .

The only reason that brokers do that is to be sure that they will be paid. How would you have it done? I'm all ears. Please teach before you spank, and be the person your profile says that you are.

And yes, some brokers do waste others' time. That's not me. Sorry.

I've been fortunate enough to be taught by people who do business in this way and this is the way that it gets done. Access to the pool was generated in the same way that my mentor did. That post was not haphazard.

Ok, guys I have a date. You didn't think I'd spend all Saturday on the computer with you? lol.

God bless,

Stephen


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Another reminder from everyone . . . keep it positive, please.

Thanks, Josh

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Real Estate Agent · Redlands, California


Thanks for always putting out the fires Josh.

Can any one please explain to my why everyone hates the Brokers so much even if they work for one party direct. This still doesn't make sense to me.

I remeber how much of an a** I was about 3 years ago because I knew more than the newbies. Then I realized there were still a million things I didn't know. Now I love sharing what I have learned and am suprised at what newbies have tought me.

Can some one give me some insight here. And yes, I know there are hundreds of " Brokers" out there with old tapes but some people really do have a good product to offer.

" He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever."


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Reading the above posts, was fun :D

Now !! as far as my experience, brokers will exist, and some will waste your time and others won't. Personally I instantly become cautious when asked for a MFA upfront. NCND is resonable. My reason for that is, that a MFA locks in the fees being paid by the buyer.

Question 1: How can one expect a buyer to agree on fees for buying a product he has yet to EVEN confirm is REAL or worthy of buying?

Fact 1: One of the most important and DIFFICULT parts of an REO transaction is the negotiation on price between what the bank/selling entity will accept and what the buyer is ACTUALLY willing to pay AFTER due diligence. the first thing that comes to the table at that point WILL BE FEES.....

Interesting Point 1 : When you begin a conversation asking for and NCND /MFA you begin from a perspective of NO TRUST ! If i can not trust who i do business with.....WHY DO BUSINESS with them. Someone shared that point with me when i first came to this forum and it has proven to become a GREAT piece of insight.

You want to sell me or my buyers something, show me what i'm buying FIRST....... even if that means to a neutral 3rd party ( Well known title/escrow) but don't ask me to drop my pants in the BLIND.

Just my little 2 cents.......... hope it helps.

:groovy:


· Scottsdale, Arizona


PHAT DEEZEE! :woohoo:

Its nice to see you come so far in such little time! Some of these newbies get so defensive when someone comments on their posts. Good comments above and way to keep it professional. I hope you are closing some deals!


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Thanks !.......... I AM :dance:


Real Estate Agent · Redlands, California


I get the NCND issue. If your client is so willing to go around you, you abviously have no purpose.

As for fee's. I get that too, especially if you have a no service or product. What is your freakin purpose.

It all makes sense to me know. Agent investor asked anyone willing, to sign a NCND and an MFA right out of the gate. We don't even have product details. The MFA especially, it should be subject too. I don't mind paying a fee or a spread if there is money in it for everyone. I guess none of it matters because it's all negotiable. If you get to the day of close and there is a discrepancy in price...some ones caughing up cash. My bet is the monkey in the middle is the first to squak.

I will take this as a note for future reffrence...
details
details
details

40% only looks good unitl we have details.

Thanks James
Thanks Phat d (nice fluid answer)


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