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Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


We have the opportunity to purchase a package of properties. Most will be SFR. My questions is... I have ran the numbers many times and wondering if any other BUYERS here use a property management company or what? Our exit startegy will take about 14 - 18 months. So management on the properties will be needed.

But, is it easier to just hire (sub) out the needed work?

Any help would greatly be appreiciated.

Thanks


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


IMO, it depends on what you want them to do. Are they just renting for you collecting the rents and paying the bills? That is what they barely understand how to do. If in stating you have 1 14-18 month strategy, does that mean you have re-hab or fix-up to do? Mgmt companies are lousy at that and expensive in my experience. Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


No, we will not rent out any of the properties. We have the plans to do as little rehab as possible. But all rehab work will be performed by a construction company.

We will need basic property care, i.e.: yard work, property cleaning, running eletric, etc.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


How many assets?

The number of assets will determine how you handle it.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


If we take every property as is, the package will total 173 properties.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Are they all in one basic area?

If not you might have to get a few companies.

If one can handle them then they might give you a discount to handle the workload (as little as it is) which might make it economical.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


All of the properties are in one geographic location. We do have the capability of utilizing one company. But I am alittle confused on how others on this site are getting this done.

I have looked into using a "handyman" type service. That will leave them capable of solving any problems onsite.

But I want to make sure that this is a smart move. As I read through this site. I have seen MANY people state that they are buying HUGE packages. So, I was hoping that at least one of them would spread the word.

Thanks,


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


I am sure they will for you shortly, but as you probably know, most people that talk about reo purchases are full of it, so even here be wary of the info you recieve.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Thanks for the advice.

What I have found very interesting. IS people have told me about purchasing HUGE packages. When I asked about servicing the properties, no reply. From everything I have looked at, this is the hardest part of the transaction. Keeping up the property for sale, while you are getting rid of them.

That is why I am looking for some advice from more experienced investors.


Real Estate Investor · Edmond, Oklahoma


James
you're lucky that most of your properties are located in 1 area. We're not these guys who buy 3 million zillion properties that these guys on here claim to purchase, but we purchase quite a few properties nationwide. Our exit strategy is the either get a contract for deed on the property or sell them at seminars. We use a nationwide property management company that charges us $2600 initially and then 10% of the monthly rent/mortgage payment (we try to sell the note after its been seasoned for 1 year). We like this property management company and it works well with us because they go out and get us contracts for deeds on these properties, since we dont do any rehab on these properties. This company employs sales people and not necessarily property management people and so it works well in terms of getting us some contracts for deed quickly. I hope that helps.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Ali,

Thanks for the advice. I have in fact talked to a management company that will also market to find buyers. When I compared the price for their services to using a "handy man" service, we would save lots of money with the "handy man." I do have a few more management companies to interview. So the comparison will continue.

But, THANKS for the info.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Are you buying these on QCD or warranty deeds? Meaning are you getting them free and clear or will you be responsible for back water / taxes / liens etc....


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


When we purchase the package all taxes, liens and anything else will be brought to date. All are through warranty deeds.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


Originally posted by crosswind_
If we take every property as is, the package will total 173 properties.



173 assets should be able to support a few employee's. They work for you and your agenda, not theirs

Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Thanks for the advice.

We are trying to stay away from having to hire any employee's. But that is an option we have considered. Our only concern with the hiring of employee's is, when the project is over they will no longer be employed. As we are not sure if we will attempt this venture again. (No descision will be made until we get into the first venture.)

But that is definitely a direction we are considering.

Thanks


Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


You can use any numbers of vehicles of which to pay them.

Warranty or special warranty deeds? I do not know anybody does that sells distressed sales with a full warranty deed

If hiring a management company make sure you get lots of details

I have one here in Swfl, That for $1200.00, will manage for 6 months, That included electricity, grass mowing, 2 times a month walkthrough's

that is a good number. We model with at least 1.5 percent of the assset price budgeted for preservation

preservation is the key. If it is bad, your ROI will decline quickly


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Jeff,

That is what we have been working on. We have found that if the preservation numbers don't work, than there is no real return. We are interviewing companies that will manage the properties, but we are not finding one with numbers low enough. The company that you use sounds good, but I have yet to find a company like that in our area. I do have a couple of meetings with companies that are looking over our plan and are going to "quote" us a fixed price like the one you use. But we will have to see.

Thanks for the advice. As you know, it is all about the ROI.


Real Estate Broker · Highlands Ranch, Colorado


James,

Perhaps it would be helpful to explain your exit strategy in more detail. 14 to 18 months is a long time to hold REO unless you are generating income (rentals). Time is generally not on your side to maximize your ROI - taxes, utilities and maintenance add up quickly.

Also, what price point (discount) are you buying them (at current market value - not BPO)? What ROI are you looking for? What is the general condition of the properties? Deteriorating properties over time and risk of vandalism also reduce ROI.

173 properties is pretty big for what sounds like a 1st endeavor - without a full plan - and backup plan fully in place and proven. Also, one package of that size, in one geographical area puts "all your eggs in one basket" - food for thought.

Have you thouroughly vetted the seller? I have not seen that large a package in one area of FL (assumption as that is your location). Frankly the only geographic specific packages of that size I've seen have been condo's and builder buyouts. Are they in FL or somewhere else - what metro area? I'm asking to determine the local market trend and risk.

More info might help us help, you as we seem to be going in circles here.

Greg


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Greg,

I am sorry if you feel like we are going in circles. I actually have received some good info thus far.

I will try to answer your questions:

1) Our exit is as follows, we will either wholesale the properties or auction them off.
2) The time frame has been set as to ensure enough time to sell all properties. We have the desire to sell them ASAP. But reality must be planned.
3) As I stated before, most properties will be sold as they are. We are not wanting to perform to much rehab, but some will have to be performed.
4) All of the properties are in one location. We feel, for our plan, that this will be best.
5) The seller has been vetted and we are very secure with the product.
6) The prices are being based off of a BPO or CMA all within the last 30 days. We know the locations very well, so we will be able to price the properties ourselves. No worries there.

My main object with this thread, was to get some info about how others are performing property preservation.

Thanks,
James




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