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BANNED · Horsham, PA


Hello to all the Bigger Pockets Members,

I wanted to pose a question to the " Seasoned Real Estate Investing Pros" as to where you feel are the best places to invest in 2008 and why?

After this thread gets a good number of post (say 10+) I will then reveal my Top 10 Picks of where I am buying, and my " Crystal Ball View" of what appreciation I expect for that area.

So whos first?


Real Estate Attorney · Syracuse/New York, New York


I've been investing in Syracuse, NY over the past few years. I did well enough that I started a property management firm there where our business has been growing steadily. We selected that market after researching and visiting many east coast markets.

We've been very pleased with the returns we're getting. The housing bubble also did not really impact Syracuse much at all - the market has been stable and appreciating consistently and modestly. Syracuse also has many solid institutions that support the economy, including Syracuse University, LeMoyne College, Lockheed, Carrier Corp. The city is investing millions in revitalizing its town centers and there is major development with billions of dollars over the next 5 years that may transform the city altogether (Destiny USA project).

With proper screening of tenants and good property maintenance & management, we've enjoyed low tenant turnover and good rent collection. Cap Rates are very good in Syracuse.

Tony D'Anzica
Dynamax Realty, Inc.


Wholesaler · Amarillo, Texas


I invest only in my local area, Texas panhandle, and its been very steady over the last 5 years. I am obviously personally biased, but I can find 15%+ cap rates here fairly easily (I just bought a 6 plex at a 19%) and appreciation holds at about 3% a year. Its nice and steady with a solid economy.


BANNED · Horsham, PA


Originally posted by "Ryan_Webber"
I invest only in my local area, Texas panhandle, and its been very steady over the last 5 years. I am obviously personally biased, but I can find 15%+ cap rates here fairly easily (I just bought a 6 plex at a 19%) and appreciation holds at about 3% a year. Its nice and steady with a solid economy.

Wow that is great Ryan. I bow down to you. After all you are well know as the " Man" in Texas. I have seen your post all over the internet and know that you are a successfull seasoned investor.

A cap rate of 19% in 2008 is really good in my book.

I would love to chat with you some more sometime about what is going on in your local market and how maybe I can become a part of it. I currently do not own an income producing property in Texas and by my 3 goals (listed on my profile) I would like to.

Thanks for everyones input thus far. 8)


· OR


I only invest at home, adnd I think my area is good right now. Sellers are spooked, so willing to look at offers, and you sure can't beat the interest rates. There is also a lot of pent up demand as buyers wait to see what happens to prices.

People are still moving in and the baby boomers want to retire here. Add in a serious limit to available building land and it adds up good.

I did see an article in a ski magazine about the 10 best ski resorts to invest in, and, superficially at least, they sure looked like a good place to put some money. The list included new resorts and resorts that were expanding.


Real Estate Investor · Issaquah, Washington


Indianapolis

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· Indianapolis, Indiana


#1 has got to be Indianapolis at the moment.

It is very affordable, a great rental market and has plenty of investment deals to choose from!

Indianapolis does not appreciate very well, but the cash flow allows us to invest in other markets where we are looking for future appreciation as the market plays itself out. I look at Indianapolis as a bond market, safe and secure.

Wholesale, short sale, bank owned and Hud auctions make for plenty of opportunity, and we are taking full advantage of it.


BANNED · Horsham, PA


Originally posted by "GoGladiator"
#1 has got to be Indianapolis at the moment.

It is very affordable, a great rental market and has plenty of investment deals to choose from!

Indianapolis does not appreciate very well, but the cash flow allows us to invest in other markets where we are looking for future appreciation as the market plays itself out. I look at Indianapolis as a bond market, safe and secure.

Wholesale, short sale, bank owned and Hud auctions make for plenty of opportunity, and we are taking full advantage of it.

Indy, humm, never looked into that city. I don't even have it in my 25 cites for appreciation in 2008 but I will have to take a closer look.

What type of examples can you give me on some types of deals you are doing in Indy and your exit strategy?


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


If I was going to start new right now, WHICH I AM NOT, but I would look for mid-sized markets that have a backbone of a large employer or two that is set for growth and stability in the next few years.

I think one such company is Catepillar. All the emerging companies are expanding and CAT makes the large equipment that is needed to build roadways, buildings, etc.

Their HQ is in Peoria, IL, so I would think that is an amazing market there. Some of the employees also live not far from Peoria in Springfield, IL and to me those are solid investment areas.



While Hawaiis market is slowly going down, there are places within Hawaii that remain excellent investments. Namely, properties located on the Big Island of Oahu. Look for these properties as great investments for the year 2008.


Real Estate Investor · Harrisburg, PA


I guess I'm a little scared to go " outside of the box" , but I have tended to only stick to my local area of Harrisburg also....I don't think the bubble really even hit here too hard, except in some very specific areas.....I think this is a very stable market place with decent appreciation (not huge - but then again not negative...).....

I think I'll stick close to home, at least for now....Thanks - Ken


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


I keep hearing Jackson Miss is pretty hot.



Im a large wholesaler here in southeast Michigan, and Im buying properties for 10 cents on the dollar all day every day. Now there is the occassional property I get for pennies on the dollar but I never/refuse to buy anything in Detroit for more than 10 cents on the dollar. Everyone sees and reads about Detroit Its an area to think about, your money can go a lot farther here with the way the market is. Where theres gloom, theres money to be made!!!!

Dan Evanski


Real Estate Investor · Thousand Oaks, California


I keep hearing Jackson Miss is pretty hot.

I hope you're right...

I have three houses in Jackson that I've purchased in the last 6 months. So far all have delivered cash back at closing with positive cash flow.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Originally posted by "SoCal_HEMIHead"
I keep hearing Jackson Miss is pretty hot.

I hope you're right...

I have three houses in Jackson that I've purchased in the last 6 months. So far all have delivered cash back at closing with positive cash flow.

I keep getting emails about buying in the GO Zone with cash back at close and cash flow for the first 2 years because they're pre leased. I looked into it more and I couldn't find rental prices to support what they were saying after that 2 year period. Which would mean with the financing they were providing, it would be negative. Care to elaborate on your deal and how it's working out?


Real Estate Investor · Thousand Oaks, California


Sure... I'm not doing the GoZone homes. Most of those are new single family or duplexes that you can write off 50% depreciation on the first year, but they run about $200,000+ and require 10-20% down.

Here's what I did.

Property #1:
3bd, 2ba single family
purchased for $41,500
rehab cost $5000 (used 90 day hard money)
refinanced at 80% LTV
equity of $15,500
out of pocket expenses of $4000
cash back at closing of $7,500
positive cash flow of $125 per month

Property #2:
3bd, 1.5ba single family
purchased for $53,000
unit was already rehabbed
refinanced at 80% LTV
equity of $15,000
out of pocket expenses of $500
cash back at closing of $3900
positive cash flow of $200 per month

Property #3:
3bd, 1.5ba single family
purchased for $32,500
rehab cost of $4,000 (used 60 day hard money)
refinanced at 80% LTV
equity of $12,000
out of pocket expenses of $1600
expected cash back at closing of $5,000 (due to close this week)
positive cash flow of $100 per month


Homeowner


Originally posted by "InvestorGuy"
Hello to all the Bigger Pockets Members,

I wanted to pose a question to the " Seasoned Real Estate Investing Pros" as to where you feel are the best places to invest in 2008 and why?

After this thread gets a good number of post (say 10+) I will then reveal my Top 10 Picks of where I am buying, and my " Crystal Ball View" of what appreciation I expect for that area.

So whos first?

Looks like we're at the 15+ mark. List still coming? :D


Residential Real Estate Agent · Verona, Wisconsin


Originally posted by "4rmgt"
If I was going to start new right now, WHICH I AM NOT, but I would look for mid-sized markets that have a backbone of a large employer or two that is set for growth and stability in the next few years.

I think one such company is Catepillar. All the emerging companies are expanding and CAT makes the large equipment that is needed to build roadways, buildings, etc.

Their HQ is in Peoria, IL, so I would think that is an amazing market there. Some of the employees also live not far from Peoria in Springfield, IL and to me those are solid investment areas.

Peoria is currently a decent market for cashflowing. ...but I'd be careful investing there. I'm in Madison, WI and I travel to Peoria frequently to do consulting engineering for Caterpillar. I think Cat will be strong for the upcoming years. ...but Cat is too much of the workforce in Peoria. If they were to have a down year it could negatively affect the whole city.

I would look more in places that have multiple large industries rather than a place based on one company.

Just my opinion


Real Estate Investor · Mountain View, California


Hey Shaggster,

When you say you are

buying properties for 10 cents on the dollar all day every day

what do you really mean? Does this mean that you have an unlimited supply of houses you are buying and rehabbing for $5k total and then selling for $50k or $10k and then selling for $100k? I understand you can get the properties cheap in Michigan but finding the buyers is another thing. Can you elaborate, perhaps with some examples? Thanks.


· Boonies, Pennsylvania


Investorguy, what have you found out? I am also gearing up to purchase a few things this summer once my other work slows down. I am looking to buy and hold. I have been looking at NC, SC It's up in the air on the location. I know if you have a vacancy in the winter those heat bills could kill your profits up north. I am also looking for a PM in those areas.




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