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Christian M.

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Of all things to prosper in this economy, who would of thought that Americans are rushing out to buy SAFES.

There is a run on safes in America.

It makes sense, really.... a place to save our money, our valuables, our important papers....

The scary part: there is also a run in another industry right now. What else do folks put in those safes? Maybe you guessed it.

Guns & Ammo are flying off the shelves.

No, not "Lawyers, Guns, and Money" for you classic rock fans out there - Americans want "Safes, Guns, Ammo, and Money"

What is happening?

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Jon H.

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And you thought I was kidding in my other posts. Better stock up on MREs, or at least a good stock of canned beans.

MikeOH

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Those that understand what is happening are stocking up on food, guns, ammo, and a place to keep them because they know that there could be a collapse of law and order, in addition to a collapse of the economy. I don't expect that to happen in rural areas, but it doesn't take much in cities for people to act like animals. Look at what happened after Katrina. RIDICULOUS!

Every generation but ours has been involved in great hardship. Our time is up!

Mike

Taz

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Or, our time has come.

Dave K.

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Is this for real?

Maybe I am young (25) and naive but this seems like drastic overeaction.

I seriously doubt with every bone in my body we need to be stocking up on guns, ammo, food, safes...etc.

It's almost laughable.

I think we are heading into tough times with a depression looming but come on....

Maybe I am just to sheltered in the nice rural town I am living in right now.

All you guys are fairly logical and to my understanding aren't total wack jobs.

Just a simiple yah or ney....

How many of you really think these steps need to be taken by your average American?

Jeff T.

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Originally posted by Jon Holdman
And you thought I was kidding in my other posts. Better stock up on MREs, or at least a good stock of canned beans.



Ramen noodles is cheap with a long shelf life

This could get ugly.

Taz

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In all seriousness, no there is no need to go to extreme measures.

Being prepared is a good thing and considering where I live we tend to get ice storms in the winter, I do tend to stock up a bit as winter approaches.

I don't think we are going into a depression. I don't think there is a need to "stock up" on guns and ammo. I do think every responsible citizen owes it to their neighbors to be armed and ready the way the framers of the Constitution intended. Read into that what you will.

If I thought for a moment we were really headed for a depression I would try to immediately dump all of my property for whatever cash I could get. The ones I couldn't sell I would stop making payments on and just walk away. Then I would pay off all of my debts and mortgages on the houses we spend our time in and convert half of the remaining cash into hard currency. Most likely gold coins and secure them where I had ready access no matter what happens. Then the balance of the cash would be in 5's, 10's and 20's and stored again where I had ready access no matter what.

But, since I don't think a depression will happen and our society is not about to break down, I am still buying properties not disposing of them and keeping my cash securely in banks and brokerages.

Anyone chanting the end of our financial system is near while still holding an asset like real estate or stocks is just blowing smoke.

Jeff T.

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You can only hope
Jungle rules would be fun.. :)

Jason F.

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Originally posted by Christian Malesic
Of all things to prosper in this economy, who would of thought that Americans are rushing out to buy SAFES.

There is a run on safes in America.

Honestly, is this just a personal observation or is this from a report/market indicator?

Christian M.

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Originally posted by Dave Kennedy
Is this for real?

Maybe I am young (25) and naive but this seems like drastic overeaction.


YES! It is for real.

I am not a whole lot older than you, but I have studied the Great Depression in long detail - not only in the textbooks but through the family history.

For example, my father rarely had milk or cream in his bottle as a baby - he had black coffee. Coffee was much cheaper than milk, especially watered down, even years after the crash of '29. He is 70.

The 'experts' are saying this is the worst or second worst situation we have ever faced as a country. That means we will be somewhere from 'almost as bad' to 'worse' than the Great Depression.

I am a "glass is half full kind" of guy and always look for the silver lining. Having said that, I am also a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" kind of guy. I am buying lots and lots of extra food. I have not yet bought a safe, a new gun, or any ammo (at least not since last hunting season).

Edited: 10/03/2008 at 03:22PM by Christian M.

Christian M.

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Originally posted by Jason F

Honestly, is this just a personal observation or is this from a report/market indicator?

This is for real. It is breaking news, so there is not a lot about it out there yet (you heard it here first on BP) - stay tuned and it will hit the mainstream.

Until then, how is CBS as a credible source:

Jittery Californians Buying Bullets And Safes

Do your own Goggle research, do not just take it from me. I am certainly not a Chicken Little type.

Christian M.

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Here is another article from BBC World News (yeah, I know, we have to look to England for breaking news in America):

Washington diary: Trust lost

I will post more if I run across them. I read a lot of news sites - mostly on the internet. I try to stay clear of the blogs and the radicals, although some would say that is what the mainstream press has become. Grin

Christian M.

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From the Appeal-Democrat (surely not a conservative source):

Preparing for financial apocalypse

MikeOH

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I seriously doubt with every bone in my body we need to be stocking up on guns, ammo, food, safes...etc.

It's almost laughable

I'll bet they thought it was laughable just before every other catastrophe in history. Unfortunately, it is not laughable. We are in a period of great uncertainty and if the economy really does collapse now, all bets are off.

When it becomes apparent that we can't afford to give handouts to all the deadbeats in this country, what do you think will happen? The FED can only print so many dollars before the dollar will collapse. Ever see pictures with a wheelbarrow load of money going to the grocery?

This is certainly not a time to panic. However, it is a time to be prepared! Having some extra food is a great idea. Having some gold is a great idea. Having a gun and some ammo is a great idea. What's that boy scout motto?

Mike

Matty M.

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I am going to have to agree with Michael on this one.

I view the bailout passing as a little extra padding - a little more time - to prepare for the worst, while continuing to follow the advice of people who have exactly what I want, to hope for the best.

I'd like to think we learn from our past mistakes. But that doesn't seem to be the case, or we wouldn't be having a bailout thread going.

Just this week, through well written articles with good analogies, I am finally starting to get a grasp on how serious it is.

I remember last week having the gun conversation at beach volleyball, and one of them mentioned hearing about military troops being organized for possible deployment in US locations.

That's not laughable, well, maybe a little.

Originally posted by Michael Rossi
I seriously doubt with every bone in my body we need to be stocking up on guns, ammo, food, safes...etc.

It's almost laughable


I'll bet they thought it was laughable just before every other catastrophe in history. Unfortunately, it is not laughable. We are in a period of great uncertainty and if the economy really does collapse now, all bets are off.

When it becomes apparent that we can't afford to give handouts to all the deadbeats in this country, what do you think will happen? The FED can only print so many dollars before the dollar will collapse. Ever see pictures with a wheelbarrow load of money going to the grocery?

This is certainly not a time to panic. However, it is a time to be prepared! Having some extra food is a great idea. Having some gold is a great idea. Having a gun and some ammo is a great idea. What's that boy scout motto?

Mike

Edited: 10/03/2008 at 04:39PM by Matty M.

Lee C.

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Doesn't this make the US a socialist country?

Anyway you look at it this bill fundamentally changes the foundation of America.

It remains to be seen what the future implications of this will be. Personally I think we will be spending the euro in 5-10 years. There will be a formally regulated global economy possibly Government in 10-20 easy.

from anouther post;
"Socialist - yes, parts of the economy are now being socialized. It's a disaster and only a complete collapse will allow us to get this country back on track.

Mike"

On one hand I consider Sweden and Norway they are socialist and not fairing so bad. I'm just not sure, once the genreal public fully understands the implications of this bill how they will handle it?

Taz

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I think we saw how the public will handle it after the vote and it was signed. The market dropped and closed down 157 points.

Monday is going to be real fun!

Bob H.

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We won't be spending euros in 5-10 years, I'm not sure the euro is going to survive that long. The first 10 years of the euro was great because everything was going good in good economic times. The PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) were receiving benefits of linking their economy to that of Germany & France. Now the PIGS are weighing down on the rest, how long do you think Germany is going to put up with the PIGS when they could easily go back to the DM and dump the baggage?

I'll second the Monday being interesting, the Fannie & Freddie derivatives are being settled that day in an auction-esque manner-could be some people needing to come up with some large cash quick.

Jordan S.

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you people cannot compare the great depression of 80 years ago to this. apples and oranges. we are in an information age and if you havent noticed things change quickly- too quickly in my opinion. dows down 777 one day up 500 the next. we're in a very volatile state right now but we wont be in breadlines any time soon. we will however have to cut back on our "luxuries" that weve enjoyed for too long but dont act like there will be a food shortage with people shooting each other over milk. thats asinine and that way of thinking is destructive and if it does happen it will be the negative doomsayers that caused the demise. get out there and buy some good old US stock and quit *****ing about the apocolypse. (it aint happening until 2012)

Christian M.

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You can and you can't compare times. Those that do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.

Can you imagine very few jobs and very high unemployment? Can you imagine folks not having enough money to buy the food they are used to eating (meat at every meal with dessert)? Can you imagine no designer clothes - just being happy to have shoes on your feet even if they are 3 sizes too big?

This was the Great Depression. The next one - whenever and if ever it may come - will likely share these common traits and many others. Sure - we may get information faster and the causes may be different. The root causes of fast cash and greed will likely be the point of origin.