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Real Estate Investor · East Aurora, New York


Gold broke the $1000 an ounce barrier last week and is zooming up over $1100 as I write this. It seems to me that the money that the Fed's loose monetary policy is going to come home to roost. If I recall the 1970's accurately we got high inflation in commodities first followed by real estate.

Anybody have any better recollections? Looks like another bubble and crash to come shortly after.


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I suspect that the gold investment and real estate investment (as a hedge) are two different motivations at the current time.

The gold bugs are buying because they have no faith in the dollar, or in the US government's ability to controll the economy.

Real estate is a hedge against inflation, so real estate will follow when interest rates go way up. Medium interest rates move people out of real estate because it raises the monthly payment. But high interest rates moves people into real estate because it (should) hold its value with the rate of inflation, ie: loss of the value of the dollar.

With high inflation, you get a different motivation to buy gold. those buyers are looking for hard assets that will keep pace with inflation.

My opinion: it is a very good time to buy real estate for buy and hold. It's still on sale. Gold, on the other hand is NOT on sale right now.


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


I'm with P NW on that one. Traditionally, gold is considered a hedge against inflation, however, at the moment it is only a hedge against the sinking US $.
However, real estate price movement depends on many other factors such as supply and demand, interest rate, affordability at a given time, tax incentive, etc.
Right now, due to the high unemployment rate, I only see more foreclosures coming and more supply.


Real Estate Investor · Poughkeepsie, New York


This is a whole new phenomenon, this real estate market we are in right now. I don't think we've seen the bottom yet. And how are people going to buy when they are losing jobs left and right? And most investors will be kicking themselves if they pay too much, anyway. So I think a lot of people are taking a wait and see approach, while the prices continue to fall.
Moneypenny


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Add to that, the new Fannie Mae guideline
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091126/bs_nm/us_fanniemae_lending
and you'll see the number of people who are able to afford a house dropping...


Homeowner · Beech Island, South Carolina


Originally posted by Eddie Ziv
Add to that, the new Fannie Mae guideline
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091126/bs_nm/us_fanniemae_lending
and you'll see the number of people who are able to afford a house dropping...

Which adds to the downward pressure on the demand curve...as it is, even rentals are down as more folks move in with relatives and/or friends. I think it's a great time to buy, rehab, and hold, but I don't think housing demand will pick up until at least 6 months after unemployment figures change their current trend. Must admit, I feel like a kid in a candy store right now seeing better deals almost daily. :cool:


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by Gigi Blanton
Which adds to the downward pressure on the demand curve...as it is, even rentals are down as more folks move in with relatives and/or friends. I think it's a great time to buy, rehab, and hold, but I don't think housing demand will pick up until at least 6 months after unemployment figures change their current trend. Must admit, I feel like a kid in a candy store right now seeing better deals almost daily. :cool:


We, the buy and hold investors are facing a new dilemma. Yes, properties prices are lower and likely to stay low for a while, but if you cannot rent tem, it's a problem, especially for those who rely on mortgage to finance their purchase.
I recently had to lower my rent in one of my guest units here in California because the ridicules competition I'm facing from neighboring MFR...

Real Estate Investor · Fresno, California


I suspect we just have a timing issue. The most popular trade has been to sell dollars and buy other currencies or assets tied to the dollar like gold or oil. This is a very-very crowded trade and it could reverse in a hurry (See Dubai credit issue). People could flood back to the dollar and US Treasury's driving down rates even lower (Crazy I know).

But to the question at hand I suspect Gold will have its time in the sun through 2010. But then people will realize that Gold just stores wealth and doesn't create wealth and they will go looking for assets that produce returns like real estate and gold will loose 30% in the matter of weeks (Gold takes the stairs up and the elevator down).

Let the lemmings run gold up to $2,500 I will be buying real estate in 2010 and then when the lemmings come back in 2011 or 2012 I take the artificial pop in my net worth ... Should be fun


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Must admit, I feel like a kid in a candy store right now seeing better deals almost daily.

Be careful here, Gigi. As a kid in a candy store is soon parted with his money, he turns around to leave and sees another better deal, but cant return what he has. Then consuming what he bought, he gets sick, because he could not get a return of his money.

Basically what eddie is referring to in that it does not matter how sweet a deal is if you can not rent it, it will just end up consuming other money while it just sits there and melts in your pocket.

The economy is moving into territory where six month from now may be the same as today.

We used to speculate on how home prices will affect the economy, and now we are speculating on how the economy will affect home prices.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


There are a few smart people saying that the DOW and Gold will be at the same price, i.e. DOW 3,000 and Gold at $3,000. I think that's VERY LIKELY!

In my opinion, it is absolutely certain that our economy will COLLAPSE in the near future (next 2 or 3 years). Our debt is skyrocketing and socialism is sweeping our country. One in 8 adults is receiving food stamps and one in 4 children receive food from food stamps. Fewer and fewer productive citizens simply can not afford to pay for more and more deadbeats! LOOK OUT BELOW - SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by MikeOH
There are a few smart people saying that the DOW and Gold will be at the same price, i.e. DOW 3,000 and Gold at $3,000. I think that's VERY LIKELY!

In my opinion, it is absolutely certain that our economy will COLLAPSE in the near future (next 2 or 3 years). Our debt is skyrocketing and socialism is sweeping our country. One in 8 adults is receiving food stamps and one in 4 children receive food from food stamps. Fewer and fewer productive citizens simply can not afford to pay for more and more deadbeats! LOOK OUT BELOW - SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!

... And in the meantime, I will keep collecting my section 8 check... Oh, wait a minute, did I mentioned that it's a government check? LOOK OUT!! SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!... With my government income... OH NO, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO!!???

Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


What is gonna blow is the government realizing that it can not sustain the level of promises and the pendulum of personal responsibility will indeed swing back the other way.
This will prevent the entire collaspe of our economy, but will bring us very close indeed to that cliff.
So close that the road back will be a very slow one full of potholes (read opportunities here) for the astute investors who have learned how to navigate things.


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Originally posted by jawsette
What is gonna blow is the government realizing that it can not sustain the level of promises and the pendulum of personal responsibility will indeed swing back the other way.
This will prevent the entire collaspe of our economy, but will bring us very close indeed to that cliff.
So close that the road back will be a very slow one full of potholes (read opportunities here) for the astute investors who have learned how to navigate things.


In two days the President will announce adding 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan which will seal our present there for at least five more years. How come we have money for two wars but we never have money for anything else?

Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


In trying to answer that question, without going into the political side of things that have been injected here, I would answer that all bubbles not matter how they are created (in this case by the government stimulus) will at some time burst and that the govt role is to protect us from external foe (thus the wars) but not to protect us from ourselves. That is a responsibility that we all must learn.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · North Hollywood, California


Gold goes high indicates possibility of inflation and in an inflation I when money lose its value real estate should come up.


Real Estate Investor · ten mile, Tennessee


Ah, such it used to be when values (dollars) were backed by gold, but then came inflation and recession at the same time. Now we are at a crossroads again and this time with gold rising and no confidence in this dollar, it will continue to plumit. Although this is inflationary, when compared to the pre-plummit period you will also find the RE values will still actually be down.

Therefore, we just may have rising gold and inflation and stable or lowering values, not the rising values that would traditionally occur.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


Since history has a way just repeating itself. I thought I would share a little history.

HARD ASSETS - the best storage vault for an inflating faux currency. Most confuse hard assets with only precious metals and jewels, the truth simply couldn't be more distant from that belief. Buy FARM tools second, you never have to hide them, as they require WORK to turn them into useful products. Everybody knows what needs to be first.

there is history in similar times for the collecting of metals as assets.

Nobody gets ahead of the Big Pen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

If all said at the link were true, The great depression wouldn't have happened, right? Gold Standard was fully in force.

Just as its market-makers hit their crescendo, EO 6102 pulled the BIG punch bowl without a moment's notice.

The doubling of inflation in a heartbeat occurred only one six months later; TGD was ON and took full force and effect from that day forward. There was no notice for that little BIG PEN act, either.

The "sales techniques" of the gold marketers' were mirrors of today.

Fear's Currency is NOT acceptable on the streets of commerce even in the worst of times. It is forever the currency of the darker alleys and is forever sold as the "storage of real wealth" to the doomed that fall for the bait every time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Bunker_Hunt

Polaroid and Kodak got in the same game while the Hunt Brothers were the "Mystery Investors" in gold and silver.

The Hunt Brothers ended up as convicted felons who were "almost broke" with about $1MM left of their formerly-vast fortunes, the outcome at retail is why you can't find a Polaroid ANYTHING these days. Both Kodak and Polaroid filled warehouses with silver to "hedge" against the rising
cost - @ $45-40/oz.

When it sank to $5, the hunt for those nasty speculators started, the devolution to starvation was already well under way in the "investor" world of Mo-Mo silliness gone again terribly "wrong", though it was actually EXACTLY right as it returned to its intrinsic value (that value as applied to an end use with value of its own.

please share any and all rants, thoughts, view points....
Illegitimis non Carborundum


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


I believe gold and silver will go up more. Real estate will drop more.

Gold is looking a bit parabolic for my taste over the last few weeks, but I also believe after some set backs, we have a long way up, before it crashes hard. I believe the days of 3 digit $USD gold are pretty much gone. I certainly could be wrong.

During the Dubai scare over thanksgiving gold tanked and shot right back up in the same day. It was not the dollar people fled too.

I am with MikeOH. Gold/Dow ratio somewhere around 1:1, Maybe 1:3. Not sure where that happens. At that point it will be time for me to sell gold/silver (if it is not contraband), and exchange it for something else of value.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Myers, Florida


the thing to also focus on with gold and silver. There is no belle curve, just a right triangle


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