<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Why You Should or Shouldn&#8217;t Put Coin-Op Laundry Machines in Your Rental Property</title> <atom:link href="http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/</link> <description>Learn, Network, Invest</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:59:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Lee</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-98583</link> <dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:20:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-98583</guid> <description>We have a coin op laundry at an 8 plex we own. One of the most nauseating clauses I found when dealing with a local LSC besides the poor splits was that the contract applied to all future owners, heirs and assigns of the property. We bought the building and out laundry contract had a 50/50 split, which given my costs, created an expense. We had to play hardball to change that split so we could eek out a profit. So two lessons: know your utility costs and watch who the contract applies to.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a coin op laundry at an 8 plex we own. One of the most nauseating clauses I found when dealing with a local LSC besides the poor splits was that the contract applied to all future owners, heirs and assigns of the property. We bought the building and out laundry contract had a 50/50 split, which given my costs, created an expense. We had to play hardball to change that split so we could eek out a profit. So two lessons: know your utility costs and watch who the contract applies to.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Morgan</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-98581</link> <dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-98581</guid> <description>As has been stated, it really depends on the property, such as how many apartments, who&#039;s renting, etc. However, it&#039;s generally a good idea to at least have the option, especially in lower-income apartments. In all the apartments I used to live in, there have been coin-operated machines and they take at least $1-2 to wash and then an additional $1-2 to dry. So the machines will eventually pay for themselves sooner rather than later.Making the laundry room secure, as well, would be an added benefit. Coin operated also secures that only those willing to pay will use the laundry facilities instead of those who are just free-loading. Which is added security for the complex.There are certainly variables to weigh, but overall, having the option there for the tenants is always a good idea.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been stated, it really depends on the property, such as how many apartments, who&#8217;s renting, etc. However, it&#8217;s generally a good idea to at least have the option, especially in lower-income apartments. In all the apartments I used to live in, there have been coin-operated machines and they take at least $1-2 to wash and then an additional $1-2 to dry. So the machines will eventually pay for themselves sooner rather than later.</p><p>Making the laundry room secure, as well, would be an added benefit. Coin operated also secures that only those willing to pay will use the laundry facilities instead of those who are just free-loading. Which is added security for the complex.</p><p>There are certainly variables to weigh, but overall, having the option there for the tenants is always a good idea.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zach @ Mid Mo Mortgage</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-77893</link> <dc:creator>Zach @ Mid Mo Mortgage</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:49:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-77893</guid> <description>Even run-down areas in my city have on-site laundry services. (Not coin-operated)I don&#039;t know what it looks like in other states, but here I&#039;ve never even seen so much as a commercial laundry business around town.(My current city has a population of 100,000)Either I&#039;m not looking hard enough, or the coin-operated laundry machine is going out of fashion. .-= Zach @ Mid Mo Mortgage&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://midmomortgage.com/missouri-press/jan-29-market-growth-surging-as-gdp-reports-forthcoming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jan 29 – Market Growth Surging As GDP Reports Forthcoming&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even run-down areas in my city have on-site laundry services. (Not coin-operated)</p><p>I don&#8217;t know what it looks like in other states, but here I&#8217;ve never even seen so much as a commercial laundry business around town.(My current city has a population of 100,000)</p><p>Either I&#8217;m not looking hard enough, or the coin-operated laundry machine is going out of fashion.<br /> .-= Zach @ Mid Mo Mortgage&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://midmomortgage.com/missouri-press/jan-29-market-growth-surging-as-gdp-reports-forthcoming" rel="nofollow">Jan 29 – Market Growth Surging As GDP Reports Forthcoming</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Denise</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-56563</link> <dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 19:53:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-56563</guid> <description>I agree with Tony above.  After having free laundry facilities in a 8-plex we own we have finally decided to go with  coin operated washers and dryers. This is not a matter of making a couple of hundred of dollars extra a month.   Cost of electricity, water, and cleaning fees for the laundry room which tenants continue to trash have left us with no choice.  We also have had the &quot;friends of tenants&quot; problem.  Sad to say that a few tenants will ruin it for everyone.  Our only other option would be to close the laundry facility.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tony above.  After having free laundry facilities in a 8-plex we own we have finally decided to go with  coin operated washers and dryers. This is not a matter of making a couple of hundred of dollars extra a month.   Cost of electricity, water, and cleaning fees for the laundry room which tenants continue to trash have left us with no choice.  We also have had the &#8220;friends of tenants&#8221; problem.  Sad to say that a few tenants will ruin it for everyone.  Our only other option would be to close the laundry facility.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua Dorkin</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-55697</link> <dc:creator>Joshua Dorkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-55697</guid> <description>Wow!  Great information, Kevin!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Great information, Kevin!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin Walker</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-55696</link> <dc:creator>Kevin Walker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:58:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-55696</guid> <description>Actually there are several other considerations to take into account - A coin op washer counts as a &quot;commercial washer&quot; (even if you only have one!) and as such will need additional waste-water impact fees in most urban and suburban areas- these run about $1500 *per machine* here (Houston) and I&#039;ve heard some cities that are much, much higher (the LCS&#039;s wont tell you about these fees since if you get caught, the fines are your responsibility-not theirs). Some municipalities consider the debris from the lint traps of commercial laundry machines to be a &#039;hazardous waste&#039; which will require a permit to handle, store and additional fees to dispose of. (once again, the LCS&#039;s figure what you dont know wont hurt *them*) While 99% of the time you will probably get away with not having the proper fees paid (so long as you dont have any new construction or repairs that bring out a building inspector for any reason) the fines can get pretty hefty and you *dont* want to be the 1% that gets caught (I&#039;ve heard some of the mid to large size complexes receiving six-figure fines PLUS having to pay all the fees owed) And lastly, in some jurisdictions if you have any commercial washers or dryers the space they are in is automatically counted as a &#039;laundrymat&#039; (or &#039;washateria&#039; for those of you in the southwest) and will require specific use permits and may conflict with zoning. My advise is to contact the local utility district, zoning boards and building permit offices and check on the specific codes relevant to your area before making this decision- dont just listen to the LCS sales pitch.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there are several other considerations to take into account -<br /> A coin op washer counts as a &#8220;commercial washer&#8221; (even if you only have one!) and as such will need additional waste-water impact fees in most urban and suburban areas- these run about $1500 *per machine* here (Houston) and I&#8217;ve heard some cities that are much, much higher (the LCS&#8217;s wont tell you about these fees since if you get caught, the fines are your responsibility-not theirs).<br /> Some municipalities consider the debris from the lint traps of commercial laundry machines to be a &#8216;hazardous waste&#8217; which will require a permit to handle, store and additional fees to dispose of. (once again, the LCS&#8217;s figure what you dont know wont hurt *them*)<br /> While 99% of the time you will probably get away with not having the proper fees paid (so long as you dont have any new construction or repairs that bring out a building inspector for any reason) the fines can get pretty hefty and you *dont* want to be the 1% that gets caught (I&#8217;ve heard some of the mid to large size complexes receiving six-figure fines PLUS having to pay all the fees owed)<br /> And lastly, in some jurisdictions if you have any commercial washers or dryers the space they are in is automatically counted as a &#8216;laundrymat&#8217; (or &#8216;washateria&#8217; for those of you in the southwest) and will require specific use permits and may conflict with zoning.<br /> My advise is to contact the local utility district, zoning boards and building permit offices and check on the specific codes relevant to your area before making this decision- dont just listen to the LCS sales pitch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tony Nathan</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-54728</link> <dc:creator>Tony Nathan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-54728</guid> <description>I&#039;m going coin-op laundry in my triplex after 15 years free.  Cheap -- a dollar a wash, 50 cents to dry.  I&#039;m fine with my tenants getting free laundry, but they always have friends who come over for weekday beers and laundry.   Encroaching friends and my too-nice tenants will always exist.  So coin-op is the best solution.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going coin-op laundry in my triplex after 15 years free.  Cheap &#8212; a dollar a wash, 50 cents to dry.  I&#8217;m fine with my tenants getting free laundry, but they always have friends who come over for weekday beers and laundry.   Encroaching friends and my too-nice tenants will always exist.  So coin-op is the best solution.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peter Rodriguez</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-54605</link> <dc:creator>Peter Rodriguez</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:15:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-54605</guid> <description>Hypothetical situation:1. You have a superintendent of a 50 apt residential building.2. He has to deal with an offending coin-collector on a regular basis who pick-up coins from the coin-operated laundry room in that building.3. The superintendent has an influential friend working for the building&#039;s management company.4.  The coin-collector foolishly disclosed to the superintendent that he&#039;s only been working for a few weeks on his collection routes on a 90-day trial basis (which means the coin-collector is not yet in the union).Question:Is it  advisable, in order to get the collector to behave, for the superintendent to approach the coin-collector  (taking advantage of the information that the coin-collector foolishly disclosed to him) with a subtle threat to have him terminated explaining to him that the superintendent could have someone call his employers threatening to either pull the leasing account (for the coin-operated laundry machines)away from them or threatening not to have the lease renewed for a new term unless the collector&#039;s employers terminate him immediately?If no, why not?  In detail, what could be the legal ramifications should the coin-collector be terminated as a direct result of the threat presented to his employers?Could it be proven that the termination was the direct result of the superintendent&#039;s wrongful and malicious interference of an employment relationship between the coin-collector and his employers?  If so, how?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypothetical situation:</p><p>1. You have a superintendent of a 50 apt residential building.</p><p>2. He has to deal with an offending coin-collector on a regular basis who pick-up coins from the coin-operated laundry room in that building.</p><p>3. The superintendent has an influential friend working for the building&#8217;s management company.</p><p>4.  The coin-collector foolishly disclosed to the superintendent that he&#8217;s only been working for a few weeks on his collection routes on a 90-day trial basis (which means the coin-collector is not yet in the union).</p><p>Question:</p><p>Is it  advisable, in order to get the collector to behave, for the<br /> superintendent to approach the coin-collector  (taking advantage<br /> of the information that the coin-collector foolishly disclosed to him)<br /> with a subtle threat to have him terminated explaining to him that the superintendent could have someone call his employers threatening to either pull the leasing account (for the coin-operated laundry machines)away from them or threatening not to have the lease renewed for a new term unless the collector&#8217;s employers terminate him immediately?</p><p>If no, why not?  In detail, what could be the legal ramifications should the coin-collector be terminated as a direct result of the threat presented to his employers?</p><p>Could it be proven that the termination was the direct result of the superintendent&#8217;s wrongful and malicious interference of an employment relationship between the coin-collector and his employers?  If so, how?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: steve</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-50372</link> <dc:creator>steve</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:44:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-50372</guid> <description>I found you also may use some product to turn ordinary washer or dryer into coin-op wahser or dryer, like a company:weavefuture, any one knew there are more products like this</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found you also may use some product to turn ordinary washer or dryer into coin-op wahser or dryer, like a company:weavefuture, any one knew<br /> there are more products like this</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Walter</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-15031</link> <dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-15031</guid> <description>IMO, you need to be very careful in thinking through the pros &amp; cons of establishing a laundry room in your rental property. There are issues of security &amp; liability to consider. If something were to happen to a tenant (robbed, assaulted) while doing their laundry, you may well be sued and held liable if you have not taken reasonable security procedures: are your entry door locks &amp; entrance buzzers in working order; are there security gates on windows; have tenants complained in the past about building security issues, etc.?The hassle may be worth it for larger facilities where there is a potential for a large revenue stream, but if the net income to you is small, you may well ask yourself if the upside gain is worth the downside risk...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, you need to be very careful in thinking through the pros &amp; cons of establishing a laundry room in your rental property. There are issues of security &amp; liability to consider. If something were to happen to a tenant (robbed, assaulted) while doing their laundry, you may well be sued and held liable if you have not taken reasonable security procedures: are your entry door locks &amp; entrance buzzers in working order; are there security gates on windows; have tenants complained in the past about building security issues, etc.?</p><p>The hassle may be worth it for larger facilities where there is a potential for a large revenue stream, but if the net income to you is small, you may well ask yourself if the upside gain is worth the downside risk&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frankie Mossa</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-12754</link> <dc:creator>Frankie Mossa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:11:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/11/09/why-you-should-or-shouldnt-put-coin-op-laundry-machines-in-your-rental-property/#comment-12754</guid> <description>I hope this information is useful: The three largest laundry service companies (LSC&#039;s) are CoinMach, Mac-Gray Corp, and Jetz Service Co. None of the three have a presence in all 50 states. Each market will most likely have several smaller, local competitors as well.Coinmach and Mac-Gray Corp. are publicly traded companies. Coinmach&#039;s symbol is &quot;DRA&quot;; it also has a security called an &quot;IDS&quot; unit, trading under the symbol &quot;DRY,&quot; which consists of one share of stock and one bond of some type. Mac-Gray Corp. trades under the symbol &quot;TUC.&quot;You can research Coinmach and Mac-Gray Corp. by going to the SEC&#039;s website at www.sec.gov. Read each company&#039;s 10-K report (annual report) to learn about the industry. The more you know about their business, the better your chances of negotiating a favorable deal for yourself.The lease is structured such that the owner/property manager is lessor and the LSC is lessee; i.e., you as owner or property manager of the building will be leasing space to the LSC to place their washers and dryers.As the commentator, rye, mentioned above, you can negotiate your cut of the monthly take of the machines. I would add that Coinmach and Jetz (and probably everyone else) will also pay a signing bonus or decorating allowance to induce you to enter into an agreement with them. Don&#039;t forget to negotiate here as well.Everyone seems to focus on the money; however, the terms of the lease are, IMHO, even more important. There are two clauses that you must insist are removed from the lease: 1) The rollover clause states that if you don&#039;t give notice within a certain time frame, the lease will automatically renew for a successive term. For example, one of the leases I looked at provided something to the effect that if I didn&#039;t terminate the lease within the first month, of the last year of the lease, it would automatically renew for a new term. At the time, we were talking about a ten year lease. So what this clause was saying was that if I didn&#039;t give notice in January of 2016, it would automatically renew for another ten years. No thank you. I got it changed to 30 days notice on my part. 2) The right of first refusal clause. This provides that even if you cut deal with another company, your current LSC can match the offer and retain your business. You don&#039;t want this one because it reduces the incentive for competitors to make a strong offer for your business when your lease is set to expire. Basically, you don&#039;t want to be tied to the LSC after you sign your lease; you want to be an unobstructed free agent at the end of your lease term so you can once again negotiate the best terms for yourself, including an additional signing bonus/decorating allowance. As I mentioned earlier, this is an extremely competitive industry (I discovered this by reading Coinmach&#039;s annual report, BTW), and you should be able to get the terms that you want, within reason.Go through all the clauses of the lease and counteroffer on all the ones you find objectionable. For example, in both leases I looked at, the LSC wanted me to pay their attorney&#039;s fees if we ended up in court. I countered with either the loser in any legal action pays the winner&#039;s attorney&#039;s fees, or no attorney&#039;s fees. We ultimately ended up with the loser paying the winner&#039;s attorney&#039;s fees. Another clause provided that the venue for any legal action would be somewhere in Kansas. Since I live in Omaha, NE, I asked for, and got, the venue changed to Omaha.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this information is useful:</p><p>The three largest laundry service companies (LSC&#8217;s) are CoinMach, Mac-Gray Corp, and Jetz Service Co. None of the three have a presence in all 50 states. Each market will most likely have several smaller, local competitors as well.</p><p>Coinmach and Mac-Gray Corp. are publicly traded companies. Coinmach&#8217;s symbol is &#8220;DRA&#8221;; it also has a security called an &#8220;IDS&#8221; unit, trading under the symbol &#8220;DRY,&#8221; which consists of one share of stock and one bond of some type. Mac-Gray Corp. trades under the symbol &#8220;TUC.&#8221;</p><p>You can research Coinmach and Mac-Gray Corp. by going to the SEC&#8217;s website at <a href="http://www.sec.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov</a>. Read each company&#8217;s 10-K report (annual report) to learn about the industry. The more you know about their business, the better your chances of negotiating a favorable deal for yourself.</p><p>The lease is structured such that the owner/property manager is lessor and the LSC is lessee; i.e., you as owner or property manager of the building will be leasing space to the LSC to place their washers and dryers.</p><p>As the commentator, rye, mentioned above, you can negotiate your cut of the monthly take of the machines. I would add that Coinmach and Jetz (and probably everyone else) will also pay a signing bonus or decorating allowance to induce you to enter into an agreement with them. Don&#8217;t forget to negotiate here as well.</p><p>Everyone seems to focus on the money; however, the terms of the lease are, IMHO, even more important. There are two clauses that you must insist are removed from the lease: 1) The rollover clause states that if you don&#8217;t give notice within a certain time frame, the lease will automatically renew for a successive term. For example, one of the leases I looked at provided something to the effect that if I didn&#8217;t terminate the lease within the first month, of the last year of the lease, it would automatically renew for a new term. At the time, we were talking about a ten year lease. So what this clause was saying was that if I didn&#8217;t give notice in January of 2016, it would automatically renew for another ten years. No thank you. I got it changed to 30 days notice on my part. 2) The right of first refusal clause. This provides that even if you cut deal with another company, your current LSC can match the offer and retain your business. You don&#8217;t want this one because it reduces the incentive for competitors to make a strong offer for your business when your lease is set to expire. Basically, you don&#8217;t want to be tied to the LSC after you sign your lease; you want to be an unobstructed free agent at the end of your lease term so you can once again negotiate the best terms for yourself, including an additional signing bonus/decorating allowance. As I mentioned earlier, this is an extremely competitive industry (I discovered this by reading Coinmach&#8217;s annual report, BTW), and you should be able to get the terms that you want, within reason.</p><p>Go through all the clauses of the lease and counteroffer on all the ones you find objectionable. For example, in both leases I looked at, the LSC wanted me to pay their attorney&#8217;s fees if we ended up in court. I countered with either the loser in any legal action pays the winner&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s fees, or no attorney&#8217;s fees. We ultimately ended up with the loser paying the winner&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s fees. Another clause provided that the venue for any legal action would be somewhere in Kansas. Since I live in Omaha, NE, I asked for, and got, the venue changed to Omaha.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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