Some people are all about business, and others are all about people and business. Jim is one of the latter.

Not only has he been an active investor in his own right, but he has also established himself as a mentor and a leader. He has created 2 different real estate networking groups and continues to help others invest and learn. Additionally, he’s the kind of guy who likes to get his hands dirty. If you don’t want to do that in this business, then you’re really missing out on some of the most fun aspects of it all.

Meet Real Estate Investor Jim Watkins

How long have you been investing in real estate?
About eight years. I started in 1999.

What attracted you to becoming a real estate investor?
My cousin showed me a foreclosure list and I got all excited seeing how much equity some of the properties had.

Are you a full time or part time investor?
Yes…And then some. In the past year I have rehabbed two houses myself, teach real estate investment classes and have a mentoring program.


How did you get started investing?
I didn’t know a single thing about real estate back then, armed with a foreclosure list, I went knocking on doors of houses in pre-foreclosure. Looking back on it, I think it helped not knowing anything because I didn’t know that it wasn’t easy and I hadn’t adopted anyone’s negativity or bad habits. So I guess you could say I learned the old fashioned way, I jumped in with both feet and learned to swim.

Tell Us About Your First Deal . . .
The Rat House. I took over the mortgage for a house that was in pre-foreclosure and secured it with a Warranty Deed. The square footage was only 1,100 with a 2-car garage but, the house was so full of garbage that it took five 30-cubic yard roll-off dumpsters to empty it. I call it the Rat House because it had once been infested with rats and the owners never cleaned it up. I pulled six mummified rats out of it. It was just disgusting. I tried to flip it initially but no investors would touch it.

I ended up doing the rehab myself and I ended up making about $12,000.

That deal has proven to be a blessing to my career. I learned so much about rehabbing from that house that I couldn’t have learned anywhere else. The funny thing is, because that house was so disgusting, nothing I have looked at since has surprised me. Did I forget to mention that the owners were still living in it when I bought it? The overall experience of that first deal was far more valuable than the money I made with it.

What is your area of expertise?
Pre-foreclosures and abandoned houses. More specifically, helping the homeowners in pre-foreclosure. Even though I teach about this subject, it is a market that is so easy to pursue and virtually ignored by investors.

What do you look for in an investment?
To quote Gordon Gekko from the movie, Wall Street; “A sure thing.”

Sadly, there is no such thing. Obviously I look for big equity spreads but more importantly I look at things that most investors don’t. I look at which direction the house faces. Houses that face East or West are hotter because of so much direct sunlight. I look at how much natural shade a house gets from trees. I look at the lot to see how the drainage is. I drive by the house at night to see how noisy the neighborhood is. I pay close attention to the condition of the neighbor’s houses and I try to talk to them as well. It’s not fun trying to sell a house when the neighbors have trash all over the place and never maintain their landscape.

It’s the little things inside and out of a house that can make a huge difference. Sometimes it’s the forgotten small things that can make or break a deal.

How many deals have you done in your career?
It’s hard to say. If I include deals that my students have done but I have had a helping hand in? I would say around 150. Deals that I have done for myself? I would say about 50. Keep in mind that I tend to do the labor myself when I rehab.

Do you have your real estate license?
No. I have enjoyed many advantages thus far by not having a license. At the same time though, licensed investors have benefits that I don’t have. Since the state of Texas has been on a rampage with real estate investing restrictions, I decided I will get licensed soon.

What advice would you give to a beginning investor?
Be prepared to work. The media and all those home repair and flipping shows have really given the public a false impression of the industry. It’s a job. It takes work and I don’t care what anyone else says about that. The payoff’s can be substantial but it takes dedication and a good amount of common sense.

What was your toughest deal?
I hate to say it but that would be my current rehab deal.

There have been several mistakes made by the title company that still linger. For example, they collected back taxes from the previous owner for 2006 but, they didn’t pay the City or ISD portion. They paid it all to the County and now they are waiting for a refund. The problem is the penalties and interest have been increasing and the house is currently on the market. They also got the legal description wrong when they submitted it to the County so now I have to get that corrected.

On top of that mess, the house itself was the hardest rehab I have encountered and it was supposed to have been the easiest. North Texas had an extremely wet spring and summer and the humidity has been very high. All the exterior work was very difficult to do because the weather made working conditions next to impossible.

Now that it is for sale, I have had to deal with a neighbor four houses down that listed a similar house for $20,000 under market value and just lowered their price another $10,000. That’s hard to contend with.

And just last week I find that the air conditioning condenser was vandalized and the copper was stolen from it. It’s hard to sell a house when the upstairs loft is 110 degrees. It frustrates me when negative factors come up that I have no control over.

What would your dream deal be?
a dream deal? That would be one where the first closing goes smoothly with no glitches. Where nothing unexpected comes up during the rehab and the house sells for the full asking price within days of going on the market.
Unfortunately the end result with a dream deal is… Waking up.

Some deals go fairly smooth and some are difficult. To me, being able to do the work I do and advance as I have… Now that has been a dream come true.

Why did you set up a local networking group? Has it been effective for you?
Actually I have two groups. DFW Mentor is a mentoring program for investors wanting guidance and/or help. I started it so I would have a personal group of investors that I could go to with real estate needs and they, in turn have access to everyone else in the group. I don’t accept just anyone into the program though. I interview prospective students prior to them enrolling so I can get a feel for what they want to achieve and most importantly, I want to be as sure as I can that their character is good and that they don’t have a criminal history. There is so much fraud out there today. It’s important for me to surround myself with honest, trustworthy people and being able to offer the same to students is vital. I started DFW Mentor in 2004 and today the program has over 160 students.

The other group is IGOTEX or Investors Group of Texas. This is a brand new real estate investors networking club that will have its first meeting on October 9th in Frisco, Texas. In a way it is a larger version of DFW Mentor. The club will feature national and local experts as monthly speakers.

Is there anything else you’d like to share with the rest of us?
“It’s not what you know. It’s who you know.” I have found that to hold true.

If I can offer this advice… Do whatever you can to surround yourself with honest, trustworthy people in this business. I hate to hear about new investors that get mixed up with dishonest people who are involved with fraud. Fraud has really hurt the image of our business and it is usually just a few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of us.

I can honestly attribute my success and advancement in this business to having met good, quality people early on. It’s not always easy to find good people like that. So I would suggest to anyone new to the business to actively network and ask others about someone you might do business with. As George Roddy (mentor) once told me, “Bad news travels fast.” The dishonest people don’t tend to stick around very long. So protect yourself by asking around about someone. Good people are out there. Hopefully everyone reading this is or will be among them.

Any last thoughts? Have you found BiggerPockets to be helpful to you and your business?
Honestly, it’s not just a great real estate website. It’s also a great resource. The size of the site often times intimidates me but that is only because it offers a wide variety of investment topics. There are many other real estate investment websites out there but what caught my attention early on was the fact that Josh Dorkin (owner of BiggerPockets) frequently posted on the forums to let people know when someone posted valuable information. He also personally scans the boards to eliminate spam and sweep away self promoters. I have had his banner on my website for over a year and I continue to let people know about the site. As I said above, it’s important to surround yourself with good people. Josh and BiggerPockets IS good people.

Note: Jim’s Club, IGOTEX, can be found at: http://www.IGOTEX.com