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01 May
Author: Joshua Dorkin • URL: http://www.biggerpockets.com/
as Commentary, Real Estate Investing
January 9, 2008 was a LONG time ago!
Fast forward one hundred and fourteen days later (114) - Today - And look at my joy!

In that time, my buyer went through 2 mortgage brokers, 3 banks, and I think we’ve both lost more than a little bit of our hair. We’ve dealt with countless people who repeatedly lied to us about closing dates. We’ve spoken with many individuals who WOULDN’T commit to ANY closing date, despite that being the norm - isn’t it? To say that the banks and others we’ve dealt with simply toyed with our emotions, would be putting it kindly.
Throughout this horrifying experience, I did learn a few things:
All in all, I could write a book about this closing (and likely will), and one many times thicker about the nightmare that I faced when I owned the property. I’m beyond ecstatic that it is out of my hands and I wish the buyer all the success in the world with it — I know he’ll make it a success!
NOTE: This property was one of the ones I spoke about in A Rental Property Management SNAFU Story, and there have been quite a few nightmare situations that arose in the short time (3+ years) that I owned it.
Now . . . to take that deep breath I’ve been waiting for all these months . . . Lets just say that I REALLY Deserve a Vacation!
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BawldGuy Talking
May 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pm
1I feel your pain Joshua. I’m also feeling your elation and relief.
Go fishin’ or something. You’ve obviously earned it.
Joshua Dorkin
May 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm
2Thanks Jeff! I’m assuming you are currently or you just went through something similar?
I haven’t decided what I’m going to do, but I’m going to do it with a much clearer mind, that’s for sure!
BawldGuy Talking
May 1st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
3You guessed it, and it’s ongoing. As you experienced, there are things happening out there that are simply too stupid to make up, ‘cuz nobody would believe you anyway.
Joshua Dorkin
May 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
4Sorry to hear that, Jeff!
No one still believes me, but that’s cool . . . its too bad the folks in the Federal govt have no clue that this crap is going on. Sadly, even if they did, they wouldn’t give a damn.
BawldGuy Talking
May 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm
5The problem with gov’t trying to deal with this kinda thing, is that if they rose two levels up the ladder of ‘understanding’ they’d still be woefully behind the knowledge curve.
When underwriters sometimes can’t spell their own names right three times in a row, you realize the deck just might be stacked against you.
Joshua Dorkin
May 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm
6That’s pretty bad!
We had one of the lenders feed the property into their system as a SFR instead of a 4-family…. 2 weeks later they discovered their screw-up. It was back to the drawing board from there!
BawldGuy Talking
May 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm
7Joshua — Never tell the first story!
I’m gonna post on this in the next couple weeks, documenting some of the silliest events I’ve witnessed first hand in all my decades in the biz.
The fact that most of the players involved graduated from college is staggering, and depressing simultaneously.
Joshua Dorkin
May 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm
8Definitely let me know when you post about your situation!
Its good to have a partner in suffering, isn’t it.
BawldGuy Talking
May 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
9Speaking for myself, I seem to find a perverse pleasure, and a slight cessation in pain, when I learn I’m not the Lone Ranger.
fathersez
May 1st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
10I am happy for you. My wife and I just sold our property after almost 5 months. We are happy that once the sale is settled, the money will be put to great use…..paying down debts.
Regards
Aurora Realtor
May 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
11As a Realtor who had 3 closings fall apart in March due to some stupid reasons (not quite so stupid as photographic proof of a window opening) - I can honestly say I feel your pain. One of the deals I had worked months on fell apart one day before closing - the lender denied the buyer the loan because they said the property was “inappropriate”. Apparently the lender felt the home was too close to train tracks and wouldn’t hold its value.
Not only are we dealing with lenders who seemingly just don’t want to lend any money to anyone, we’re dealing with underwriters and loan officers who are dealing with requirements that change daily. There have been numerous errors (by the lenders or underwriters - not me) in other deals that I’ve had to work out because things are so topsy-turvy right now. Noone seems to know what they heck they’re doing anymore.
Joshua Dorkin
May 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
12fathersez - Were you in contract for 5 months, or was the property for sale for 5 months? If your property was in contract for 5 months and the buyer couldn’t close, then that blows our situation away. If the property was for sale for 5 months, then I feel for you, but that is not that spectacular in this day and age. The aforementioned property was for sale for 1.5 years and I went through quite a few buyers before the one who just closed with me.
Aurora Realtor - Please jump on our forums and share some of your tales of woe with us. I’d be very interested (as I’m sure others would as well) in hearing about all the troubles your clients have gone through lately. I am sorry that you and they have had to deal with this nonsense, BTW.
Ifie
May 2nd, 2008 at 4:21 am
13Should a differentiation be made between the lending climate for people in different regions and for different types of properties? Or is it your sense that across the country, regardless of region, and across different types of properties (e.g. single family home purchase as primary residence, multi-unit rental property) banks and related institutions are becoming very tight with financing options?
Joshua Dorkin
May 2nd, 2008 at 6:11 am
14I’ll say that it is happening across the country, especially with the national lenders. I’ve heard that people are having a somewhat easier time with small, local banks, but I can’t verify that for sure.
Greenville NC Events
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:33 am
15Congrats on the Closing! They do take a long time somtimes!
BawldGuy Talking
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 am
16>Should a differentiation be made between the lending climate for people in different regions and for different types of properties?
I have a different view than some due to the geographical nature of my firm’s business. We do business in several states, and see distinct differences in lenders’ ah, enthusiasm for the different regions.
In CA & AZ for example, a close lender buddy has recently seen appraisals reviewed three times for a purchase with a 50% down payment. If the appraisal was knocked DOWN 25% arbitrarily they’d still be only lending on a loan to value of 67%!
Yet in Texas, we’re closing 90% investor loans barely slower than pancakes being sold at a Boy Scout breakfast. Lenders know where they’d like the money to end up, as they listen intently when their investors yell, ah, whisper into their ear.
Denton Ward
May 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
17Fortunately it did close! What a pain in the butt! Those carrying costs can’t help the profits either…but nonetheless, its gone now.
Gaydon - Cedar City Real Estate
May 3rd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
18Great post. There are a lot of people who feel the same way that you do and can testify to the intensity of the crash that we have experienced. In Utah we are starting to see some growth and the attitude of consumers is beginning to change. Thanks for helping us feel normal.
Teri Lussier
May 9th, 2008 at 6:15 am
19I once listed a short sale that took 3.5 months to close after we had an accepted contract. It gave me more than a few sleepless nights.
OTOH, I learned a tremendous amount about holding a deal together. I think in the end, I got paid about .04 cents/ hour on that one, but the education was priceless!
When I tell people about this, typically at this point, the question comes up: Would you do it again?
We held the closing (separate, and dry!) on a card table in a quiet corner of a CVS Pharmacy. As my sellers gathered up their things and we prepared to say our good-byes, they turned to me, looked me square in the eyes, took my hand and said “Thank you so much! We really don’t know what we would have done without you.”
So… Would I do it again?
Joshua Dorkin
May 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am
20I would Teri. Sadly, I was in a very weak position and my buyer was really one of a few options left on this property for me. Since he wanted the property, regardless, we were able to keep it alive and make both of us happy.
Eric Conrad
May 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
21I’m right with you all. I’ve got a deal that’s been on the table since Jan. 27th, and I STILL have no closing!!! In fact, our loan was JUST refused again… Yes, I’m in Phoenix, AZ. We had to give photo proof that a window existed one time, because the last appraisal showed it boarded up. A little better than the window opening story, but still. We’ve gone through about 6 loans and banks ourselves to be rejected a day before close. In fact, our latest loan just got refused on THE DAY of funding because they wanted another month of paperwork to prove we aren’t running out on our current house, which is 50k upside down. Ridiculous!
On the other hand, I might just need a new loan officer.
I will seriously consider what you are saying about Texas…
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