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	<title>Comments on: Is Commercial Real Estate Investing Risky? Yes It Is!  But It’s Not What You Think</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nechama</title>
		<link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/06/15/is-commercial-real-estate-investing-risky-yes-it-is-but-it%e2%80%99s-not-what-you-think/#comment-60354</link>
		<dc:creator>Nechama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Sordid Lawsuit Shakes the Satmar Chasidic world .


Brooklyn N.Y. Lezer ( Louis ) Kestenbaum chairman of the ODA in Williamsburg Brooklyn NY resigned from the ODA soon after settling a lawsuit filed in May in U.S. District Court for the District of Florida for an undisclosed sum alleging he had a sexual relationship with a minor, Joel Kestnbaum the son of Louis kestenbaum will become chairman of the ODA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Sordid Lawsuit Shakes the Satmar Chasidic world .</p>
<p>Brooklyn N.Y. Lezer ( Louis ) Kestenbaum chairman of the ODA in Williamsburg Brooklyn NY resigned from the ODA soon after settling a lawsuit filed in May in U.S. District Court for the District of Florida for an undisclosed sum alleging he had a sexual relationship with a minor, Joel Kestnbaum the son of Louis kestenbaum will become chairman of the ODA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis &#38; Joel Kestenbaum/Fortis Property Group Behind $880M buy in Boston is going bust now ..What a ripoff these two goons pulled off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis &amp; Joel Kestenbaum/Fortis Property Group Behind $880M buy in Boston is going bust now ..What a ripoff these two goons pulled off</p>
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		<title>By: Lilah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis &#38; Joel Kestenbaum/Fortis Property Group Behind $880M Sale in Boston

Fortis Property Group is leading the "Northeast-based private real estate investment group" that has agreed to acquire the 1 million-square-foot State Street Financial Center at 1 Lincoln Street in Boston for more than $880 million, or $880 per square foot, according to sources familiar with the sale.

The Brooklyn, NY-based Fortis and a group of other New York investors are expected to close on the 36-story office tower from a joint venture led by American Financial Realty Trust (NYSE:AFR) and an affiliate of IPC US Income REIT by the end of this year or early 2007.

Fortis apparently set its sights on Boston following several high-profile Dallas deals where it agreed to pay about $280 million for the three-building, 1.4 million-square-foot office complex known as Galleria Office Towers in Dallas.

Earlier in the year, Fortis teamed with Trimarchi Management, also from New York, on the nearly $100 million acquisition of two other Dallas office properties, Harwood Center and Saint Paul Place. It also invested in the $282.5 million purchase of JPMorgan International Plaza in Dallas.

The addition of State Street Financial Center will build out Fortis' portfolio considerably. The privately held firm headed by CEO Jonathan Landau is controlled by the Kestenbaum family. Joel Kestenbaum is the son of Louis Kestenbaum. Fortis manages some 3 million square feet in commercial properties and about 454 residential units.

The group of investors joining Fortis in the Boston deal could not be learned. American Financial announced the pending sale last week, but did not identify the buyer.

American Financial, a Jenkintown, PA, REIT decided to formally shop the 36-story tower in the last couple of months. The company is pruning its portfolio and repositioning itself. The REIT paid $705.4 million or $688.84 per square foot in February 2004 to acquire the property. Later that year, it sold a 30% stake to an affiliate of Canadian REIT IPC US Real Estate Investment Trust, for $60.3 million.

The building is fully leased with triple A credit tenant State Street Corp. occupying most of the building under a lease that runs until 2023. State Street also leases the property's 900-space garage on a 20-year triple-net lease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis &amp; Joel Kestenbaum/Fortis Property Group Behind $880M Sale in Boston</p>
<p>Fortis Property Group is leading the &#8220;Northeast-based private real estate investment group&#8221; that has agreed to acquire the 1 million-square-foot State Street Financial Center at 1 Lincoln Street in Boston for more than $880 million, or $880 per square foot, according to sources familiar with the sale.</p>
<p>The Brooklyn, NY-based Fortis and a group of other New York investors are expected to close on the 36-story office tower from a joint venture led by American Financial Realty Trust (NYSE:AFR) and an affiliate of IPC US Income REIT by the end of this year or early 2007.</p>
<p>Fortis apparently set its sights on Boston following several high-profile Dallas deals where it agreed to pay about $280 million for the three-building, 1.4 million-square-foot office complex known as Galleria Office Towers in Dallas.</p>
<p>Earlier in the year, Fortis teamed with Trimarchi Management, also from New York, on the nearly $100 million acquisition of two other Dallas office properties, Harwood Center and Saint Paul Place. It also invested in the $282.5 million purchase of JPMorgan International Plaza in Dallas.</p>
<p>The addition of State Street Financial Center will build out Fortis&#8217; portfolio considerably. The privately held firm headed by CEO Jonathan Landau is controlled by the Kestenbaum family. Joel Kestenbaum is the son of Louis Kestenbaum. Fortis manages some 3 million square feet in commercial properties and about 454 residential units.</p>
<p>The group of investors joining Fortis in the Boston deal could not be learned. American Financial announced the pending sale last week, but did not identify the buyer.</p>
<p>American Financial, a Jenkintown, PA, REIT decided to formally shop the 36-story tower in the last couple of months. The company is pruning its portfolio and repositioning itself. The REIT paid $705.4 million or $688.84 per square foot in February 2004 to acquire the property. Later that year, it sold a 30% stake to an affiliate of Canadian REIT IPC US Real Estate Investment Trust, for $60.3 million.</p>
<p>The building is fully leased with triple A credit tenant State Street Corp. occupying most of the building under a lease that runs until 2023. State Street also leases the property&#8217;s 900-space garage on a 20-year triple-net lease.</p>
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		<title>By: real estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>real estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya me too I like what you said about the mix of people and money making it more riskier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya me too I like what you said about the mix of people and money making it more riskier.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a beginner I think we must learn from the experts. That's way I agree with you that advisor and partnership are the ways to minimize risk. Listen to advisor and learn from senior businessman's experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a beginner I think we must learn from the experts. That&#8217;s way I agree with you that advisor and partnership are the ways to minimize risk. Listen to advisor and learn from senior businessman&#8217;s experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon - Commercial real estate st george</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon - Commercial real estate st george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this post. Investing in any type of real estate is always a good deal but investing in commercial real estate is a different world. I like what you said about the mix of people and money making it more riskier.

I agree with having good advisors and partners when dealing with commercial real estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this post. Investing in any type of real estate is always a good deal but investing in commercial real estate is a different world. I like what you said about the mix of people and money making it more riskier.</p>
<p>I agree with having good advisors and partners when dealing with commercial real estate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dike Drummond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dike Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You call them Advisors above and I refer to them as my Investing Team. One thing I have learned - and we teach - is that Commercial Property Investing is most definitely a team sport. What is really cool is that you can find highly qualified and experienced professionals in all aspects of a Commercial Property Transaction
Real Estate Broker
Mortgage Broker
Property Manager
Commercial Property Attorney
Commercial Insurance Agent
and more.

Combined, these people might have over 100 years of niche specific, market specific knowledge you can tap into. So I most strongly agreed. Find them, interview them, check their reference and bring them on board. Then you Lead the Team ... don't try and do all the work.

Here is how I view your "Respect the Deal" with a mathematical observation.
CAP Rate cuts both ways.
When you increase the Net Operating Income(NOI) ... the CAP Rate is the multiplier that shows you the increase in Market Value. AND it cuts both ways. 

If you don't do a good job and your NOI drops, the CAP Rate is a multiplier that shows you how much value you just lost. It cuts both ways and magnifies the changes in NOI in both directions. When you win, you win big. When you lose you lose big. The key is to set yourself up to win ... every time.

So a healthy respect for the deal and careful research to take the risk of underperformance off the table is key.

My 2 cents,

Dike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You call them Advisors above and I refer to them as my Investing Team. One thing I have learned - and we teach - is that Commercial Property Investing is most definitely a team sport. What is really cool is that you can find highly qualified and experienced professionals in all aspects of a Commercial Property Transaction<br />
Real Estate Broker<br />
Mortgage Broker<br />
Property Manager<br />
Commercial Property Attorney<br />
Commercial Insurance Agent<br />
and more.</p>
<p>Combined, these people might have over 100 years of niche specific, market specific knowledge you can tap into. So I most strongly agreed. Find them, interview them, check their reference and bring them on board. Then you Lead the Team &#8230; don&#8217;t try and do all the work.</p>
<p>Here is how I view your &#8220;Respect the Deal&#8221; with a mathematical observation.<br />
CAP Rate cuts both ways.<br />
When you increase the Net Operating Income(NOI) &#8230; the CAP Rate is the multiplier that shows you the increase in Market Value. AND it cuts both ways. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t do a good job and your NOI drops, the CAP Rate is a multiplier that shows you how much value you just lost. It cuts both ways and magnifies the changes in NOI in both directions. When you win, you win big. When you lose you lose big. The key is to set yourself up to win &#8230; every time.</p>
<p>So a healthy respect for the deal and careful research to take the risk of underperformance off the table is key.</p>
<p>My 2 cents,</p>
<p>Dike</p>
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