Comments on: A Tale of Two Real Estate Gurus http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/ Learn, Network, Invest Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:51:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aaron Norrishttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-60452 Aaron Norris Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:10:37 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-60452 Thanks Rosie. I enjoy working here because he practices what he preaches. We're in the market buying and selling and I feel we've earned the right to talk, here, in California to California investors. I am very proud of dad and he sure does love to teach.Thank you for your support and your work as a very different sort of club owner. All the tech nerds LOVE you. Including me. Thanks Rosie. I enjoy working here because he practices what he preaches. We’re in the market buying and selling and I feel we’ve earned the right to talk, here, in California to California investors. I am very proud of dad and he sure does love to teach.

Thank you for your support and your work as a very different sort of club owner. All the tech nerds LOVE you. Including me.

]]> By: Rosie Nietohttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-60451 Rosie Nieto Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:21:03 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-60451 Hi Richard,I know exactly which "guru on the east coast" you are talking about. Actually - I was going to schedule him to speak at my club because I received his product to review and I was very impressed with it.But... I never did book him because I was getting the feedback from other club owners that he seemed to be a quintessential guru that pitched rather than educate in his presentation. That's all I needed to hear. Even though I thought his product was actaully good, I could not, in all good conscience, bring to my club - the very type of speaker that I speak out against. I don't care how good a product might be. It's not all about selling a product and that is what these pitchers don't get. It's about giving their audience value. If someone is going to spend their precious time to attend one of my club meetings - then by god - I better give them value and not a pitch fest by Mr. Slick! Gag me with a spoon!There are great educators with excellent product that I can recommend instead. People I feel proud to endorse.BTW - one of them happens to be in this thread... hahheemm.. Hello Aaron Norris - please raise your hand.... Your father Mr. Bruce Norris is one of the best in the business! Or I think he might just be the best! If anyone ever wants to get #1 quality education and training I highly recommend Mr. Bruce Norris! Hi Richard,

I know exactly which “guru on the east coast” you are talking about. Actually – I was going to schedule him to speak at my club because I received his product to review and I was very impressed with it.

But… I never did book him because I was getting the feedback from other club owners that he seemed to be a quintessential guru that pitched rather than educate in his presentation. That’s all I needed to hear. Even though I thought his product was actaully good, I could not, in all good conscience, bring to my club – the very type of speaker that I speak out against. I don’t care how good a product might be. It’s not all about selling a product and that is what these pitchers don’t get. It’s about giving their audience value. If someone is going to spend their precious time to attend one of my club meetings – then by god – I better give them value and not a pitch fest by Mr. Slick! Gag me with a spoon!

There are great educators with excellent product that I can recommend instead. People I feel proud to endorse.

BTW – one of them happens to be in this thread… hahheemm.. Hello Aaron Norris – please raise your hand…. Your father Mr. Bruce Norris is one of the best in the business! Or I think he might just be the best! If anyone ever wants to get #1 quality education and training I highly recommend Mr. Bruce Norris!

]]> By: Summit NJ Relocationhttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-59695 Summit NJ Relocation Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:59:11 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-59695 I guess the old saying, you have to give to get is really true. It sounds like the foreclosure guy gave useful information during his presentation, rather than trying to sell you on his having useful information. I guess the old saying, you have to give to get is really true. It sounds like the foreclosure guy gave useful information during his presentation, rather than trying to sell you on his having useful information.

]]> By: cedar city real estatehttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-59125 cedar city real estate Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:27:58 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-59125 Everyone has heard about the saying " Be careful who you listen to". Everyone has heard about the saying ” Be careful who you listen to”.

]]> By: Norman Merbothhttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-59042 Norman Merboth Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:04:06 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-59042 I read a ton and take tons of courses and I've seen a real bad trend developing with the business of teaching this stuff. I was talking to an employee of the learning annex and she see's the same thing everything is always you need to buy more and more. Many books I read now are just a warm up for the courses they teach. I read a ton and take tons of courses and I’ve seen a real bad trend developing with the business of teaching this stuff. I was talking to an employee of the learning annex and she see’s the same thing everything is always you need to buy more and more. Many books I read now are just a warm up for the courses they teach.

]]> By: Aaron Norrishttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-58607 Aaron Norris Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:46:26 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-58607 We work a lot with California clubs and this is becoming a big problem. Clubs are a vital form of networking and opportunity. We really appreciate all the work they do. Finding good speakers who actually TEACH is important and needed. Great article. We work a lot with California clubs and this is becoming a big problem. Clubs are a vital form of networking and opportunity. We really appreciate all the work they do. Finding good speakers who actually TEACH is important and needed. Great article.

]]> By: Britt Phillipshttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-58409 Britt Phillips Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:13:05 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-58409 Try as they may to disguise the pitch fest as content, I have yet to attend a single event without leaving feeling as if I had been at a pitch fest! Try as they may to disguise the pitch fest as content, I have yet to attend a single event without leaving feeling as if I had been at a pitch fest!

]]> By: Dylan Darlinghttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-58408 Dylan Darling Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:07:51 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-58408 It's great when you have a speaker that actually is there to teach you something, not sell you something. It's amazing what kind of secrets some great speakers will share with you for free. I think some of the most valueable speakers that I've heard, have been free conferences. Great article! It’s great when you have a speaker that actually is there to teach you something, not sell you something. It’s amazing what kind of secrets some great speakers will share with you for free. I think some of the most valueable speakers that I’ve heard, have been free conferences. Great article!

]]> By: Juliehttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-58396 Julie Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:24:14 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-58396 Great post! Many years ago my husband and I signed up for a guru's weekend course. The course taught us a lot of things but didn't seem to teach us enough. In the end the course was very effective at selling us more courses but not in helping us invest in real estate. $20,000 in courses and 2 absolute crap properties purchased and we really felt swindled and were struggling financially! We got ourselves sorted out and have continued to invest in real estate since... but it was a tough lesson to learn.I'm not saying don't sign up for a "guru's course". But, if you do go to a weekend course as a new investor, I have two recommendations:1) Have an objective. Know exactly what you want to walk out of that course knowing or being able to do. Write it down before you go in, and review it throughout the weekend. It will help you focus and ensure you get out of that course what you paid money for. As a newbie investor it's easy to go in, get excited about EVERYTHING, and walk out not knowing where to begin. That is how you end up signing up for more courses and more courses...2) Implement what you learn in that course before you sign up for another course! There always seems to be big deals offered at the courses for a bigger and better course or one that is more focused on one technique. Do yourself a favour and spend 3 - 6 months using what you just learned, and if you STILL feel you need more help, then go and sign up for the other course. You will find this saves you a lot more money than signing up on the spot does! Great post! Many years ago my husband and I signed up for a guru’s weekend course. The course taught us a lot of things but didn’t seem to teach us enough. In the end the course was very effective at selling us more courses but not in helping us invest in real estate. $20,000 in courses and 2 absolute crap properties purchased and we really felt swindled and were struggling financially! We got ourselves sorted out and have continued to invest in real estate since… but it was a tough lesson to learn.

I’m not saying don’t sign up for a “guru’s course”. But, if you do go to a weekend course as a new investor, I have two recommendations:

1) Have an objective. Know exactly what you want to walk out of that course knowing or being able to do. Write it down before you go in, and review it throughout the weekend. It will help you focus and ensure you get out of that course what you paid money for. As a newbie investor it’s easy to go in, get excited about EVERYTHING, and walk out not knowing where to begin. That is how you end up signing up for more courses and more courses…

2) Implement what you learn in that course before you sign up for another course! There always seems to be big deals offered at the courses for a bigger and better course or one that is more focused on one technique. Do yourself a favour and spend 3 – 6 months using what you just learned, and if you STILL feel you need more help, then go and sign up for the other course. You will find this saves you a lot more money than signing up on the spot does!

]]> By: Joshua Dorkinhttp://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/14/a-tale-of-two-real-estate-gurus/#comment-58394 Joshua Dorkin Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:38:23 +0000 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=1100#comment-58394 Great article, Richard! Thank you for highlighting the difference in agendas between the typical speakers at real estate clubs. It is very important for newbies to understand that some speakers are there with one purpose -- to get you to spend all of your precious money on their overpriced materials. Great article, Richard! Thank you for highlighting the difference in agendas between the typical speakers at real estate clubs. It is very important for newbies to understand that some speakers are there with one purpose — to get you to spend all of your precious money on their overpriced materials.

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