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	<title>Comments on: New Housing Bill Will Not Stabalize Home Prices</title>
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		<title>By: Real Estate Attorney in Buffalo NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estate Attorney in Buffalo NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff,

I agree - I see this credit impacting global credit markets for the foreseeable future.  I just hope it doesn&#039;t lead to a meltdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff,</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; I see this credit impacting global credit markets for the foreseeable future.  I just hope it doesn&#8217;t lead to a meltdown.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wheelock</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Wheelock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prevention of declines in home values that overshot is not and should not be the goal in any legislation.  We must have a housing correction to regain the health of the economy.  This bill is not what I would call the magic bullet, however, it does have points that will help keep the credit markets moving while thngs return to the mean.  If we do not have the government sanctioned companies stay afloat it will spell disaster to the world economy.  And those that feel the most pain will not be the wealthy or the financial banks.  It will be the average American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prevention of declines in home values that overshot is not and should not be the goal in any legislation.  We must have a housing correction to regain the health of the economy.  This bill is not what I would call the magic bullet, however, it does have points that will help keep the credit markets moving while thngs return to the mean.  If we do not have the government sanctioned companies stay afloat it will spell disaster to the world economy.  And those that feel the most pain will not be the wealthy or the financial banks.  It will be the average American.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Pape</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff Pape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob I could not agree with you more if  we had the same type of financial systems as we did during the savings and loan crisis or even in the late 1990’s.  However, given today global financial markets the “tough love” risk is far greater; because no one really understands how all these markets are tied together across the world.  It is good for shifting risk but, equally as good for spreading a nasty credit crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob I could not agree with you more if  we had the same type of financial systems as we did during the savings and loan crisis or even in the late 1990’s.  However, given today global financial markets the “tough love” risk is far greater; because no one really understands how all these markets are tied together across the world.  It is good for shifting risk but, equally as good for spreading a nasty credit crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob K. Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob K. Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff,

A washing out of the bad loans and bad borrowers is exactly what we need...and fast!

This &quot;death of a thousands&quot; cuts ...put folks who should never have been given a loan, are now in foreclosure...sadly should let it happen...let their home hit the market after the bank gets if back...and allow someone with some sense turn it back into a performing asset.

The idea that converting a bunch of subprime borrowers to FHA borrowers is good for the economy is the same mentality and tactic the Japanese used...and it got them 20 years of stagnation.

S &amp; L crisis ...bad loans done by banks...banks go under...Uncle Sam takes over banks...liquidates remaining assets at 10 cents on the dollar...whole thing over from start to finish 4 years...cost to taxpayer 140 Billion....

The way we are headed on this one...bad loans done by banks, Fannie, Freddie, Wall Street firms,....a few go under...most get bailed out...Uncle Sam created bail out programs for everyone...one at a time...including borrowers who will eventually get foreclosed on anyway...whole thing drags on for 7-10 years ....cost to taxpayer $1 Trillion dollars...cost the economy of 10 years of stagflation...unknown.

RKB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff,</p>
<p>A washing out of the bad loans and bad borrowers is exactly what we need&#8230;and fast!</p>
<p>This &#8220;death of a thousands&#8221; cuts &#8230;put folks who should never have been given a loan, are now in foreclosure&#8230;sadly should let it happen&#8230;let their home hit the market after the bank gets if back&#8230;and allow someone with some sense turn it back into a performing asset.</p>
<p>The idea that converting a bunch of subprime borrowers to FHA borrowers is good for the economy is the same mentality and tactic the Japanese used&#8230;and it got them 20 years of stagnation.</p>
<p>S &amp; L crisis &#8230;bad loans done by banks&#8230;banks go under&#8230;Uncle Sam takes over banks&#8230;liquidates remaining assets at 10 cents on the dollar&#8230;whole thing over from start to finish 4 years&#8230;cost to taxpayer 140 Billion&#8230;.</p>
<p>The way we are headed on this one&#8230;bad loans done by banks, Fannie, Freddie, Wall Street firms,&#8230;.a few go under&#8230;most get bailed out&#8230;Uncle Sam created bail out programs for everyone&#8230;one at a time&#8230;including borrowers who will eventually get foreclosed on anyway&#8230;whole thing drags on for 7-10 years &#8230;.cost to taxpayer $1 Trillion dollars&#8230;cost the economy of 10 years of stagflation&#8230;unknown.</p>
<p>RKB</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Pape</title>
		<link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2008/07/27/new-housing-bill-will-not-stabalize-home-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-58910</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Pape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

You make a logical argument; however, in a market with falling prices banks would be foolish not to take the FHA insured loan even if it meant a significant write-down on their assets.  The reason being is with the new FHA insured loan they could then value the assets on their balance sheet and would know the amount of capital necessary to keep in their reserves.  The biggest problem right now is that banks do not know how much capital reserve is needed, so they continue to raise capital to cover the falling values of the assets on their balance sheets.  With the new FHA insured loan they would now have a solid value that their assets could not fall below and would know how much capital is needed in reserves.  By knowing this they would then be able to lend more money.  This will cause more liquidity in credit markets which in turn directly affect mortgage markets and ultimately real estate markets.  

Yes, the tax payer will ultimately pay a portion of the bill.  However, as an economist I can tell you the alternative for our economy is far worse (i.e. letting markets wash out the bad loans).  As a real estate investor this is where we are able to make our money one only has to look back to the saving and loan crisis of the 1980’s to see how you can make money on government bail outs of large financial intuitions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>You make a logical argument; however, in a market with falling prices banks would be foolish not to take the FHA insured loan even if it meant a significant write-down on their assets.  The reason being is with the new FHA insured loan they could then value the assets on their balance sheet and would know the amount of capital necessary to keep in their reserves.  The biggest problem right now is that banks do not know how much capital reserve is needed, so they continue to raise capital to cover the falling values of the assets on their balance sheets.  With the new FHA insured loan they would now have a solid value that their assets could not fall below and would know how much capital is needed in reserves.  By knowing this they would then be able to lend more money.  This will cause more liquidity in credit markets which in turn directly affect mortgage markets and ultimately real estate markets.  </p>
<p>Yes, the tax payer will ultimately pay a portion of the bill.  However, as an economist I can tell you the alternative for our economy is far worse (i.e. letting markets wash out the bad loans).  As a real estate investor this is where we are able to make our money one only has to look back to the saving and loan crisis of the 1980’s to see how you can make money on government bail outs of large financial intuitions!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Buettner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Buettner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya your completely right! I read its only aimed to help 400,000 people and when you read the actual bill it says something about clearly all liens but the first. Do you think all the banks will equity loans are just going to lay their hands down. I DONT THINK SO !!! Talk about ASININE !  I apologize for my rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya your completely right! I read its only aimed to help 400,000 people and when you read the actual bill it says something about clearly all liens but the first. Do you think all the banks will equity loans are just going to lay their hands down. I DONT THINK SO !!! Talk about ASININE !  I apologize for my rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis that you have done of the real estate market over the time period is very useful to forecast the upcoming growth trends in the real estate market. This is the very same thing that is being done by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lonestarfinancing.com/mortgage/texas/waco/&quot; title=&quot;Mortgage and Loans&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Waco Home Lenders&lt;/a&gt;. As you pointed out correctly, tthe real estate market was a bit slow to start of this year, but it is gradually gaining momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analysis that you have done of the real estate market over the time period is very useful to forecast the upcoming growth trends in the real estate market. This is the very same thing that is being done by <a href="http://www.lonestarfinancing.com/mortgage/texas/waco/" title="Mortgage and Loans" rel="nofollow">Waco Home Lenders</a>. As you pointed out correctly, tthe real estate market was a bit slow to start of this year, but it is gradually gaining momentum.</p>
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