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	<title>Comments on: Creative Real Estate Investing: &#8220;They Pay You&#8221; Subject-To</title>
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		<title>By: PAR</title>
		<link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/01/14/creative-real-estate-investing-pay-subjectto/comment-page-1/#comment-74439</link>
		<dc:creator>PAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be missing something.

If the property is a rental and the rate is $1300 / month and the mortgage is $1500 / month then the seller is running at a loss of $200 a month (assuming we are discussing a property that is currently rented).

If the seller agrees to this deal they are now receiving $0 / month in rental income and paying $400. Now a loss of $400 / month. In addition they get the bonus of handing over any equity and all equity that is included in each months mortgage payment.

Why would any seller agree to this? It is a larger negative cashflow per month than simply holding onto the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be missing something.</p>
<p>If the property is a rental and the rate is $1300 / month and the mortgage is $1500 / month then the seller is running at a loss of $200 a month (assuming we are discussing a property that is currently rented).</p>
<p>If the seller agrees to this deal they are now receiving $0 / month in rental income and paying $400. Now a loss of $400 / month. In addition they get the bonus of handing over any equity and all equity that is included in each months mortgage payment.</p>
<p>Why would any seller agree to this? It is a larger negative cashflow per month than simply holding onto the property.</p>
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		<title>By: myrtle beach rentals</title>
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		<dc:creator>myrtle beach rentals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>intresting blog, but your right. paying $600 a month is a lot better than paying $1800.

I can see why you have people taking you up on this deal in droves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intresting blog, but your right. paying $600 a month is a lot better than paying $1800.</p>
<p>I can see why you have people taking you up on this deal in droves!</p>
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		<title>By: James Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summary of a new twist on &quot;subject to&quot; for this market. 

In answer to some of the comment questions:  

In &quot;Subject to&quot; investing, the deed is transferred, but the underlying mortgage and note stays in the sellers name.  Since the deed transfers you are truly &quot;buying&quot; the property. 

Documents such as a &quot;limited power of attorney&quot; and &quot;right to release information&quot; are usually signed by the seller authorizing the new owner to act on their behalf with regard to anything having to do with the property. 


There is the a concern about &quot;due on sale&quot; clauses that accelerate payment of the mortgage on transfer of ownership. These clauses are standard in mortgage documents, however in practice lenders tend not to enforce this as they would rather receive payments on the property that force a foreclosure.  

Just in case a lender does ever call a mortgage due, a document acknowledging this possibility is usually signed by the seller during the sale and retained by the buyer. 

There is a lot of controversy surrounding purchasing &quot;subject to&quot; as unscrupulous characters can use it to skim equity from unsuspecting sellers. Leaving the seller on the hook for the mortgage. In practice a &quot;Subject to&quot; sale can often be the only answer to a sellers dilemma as closing costs are generally much lower than with a traditional sale. 

To the question of what the purchase price would be, it is typically the mortgage balance, although I have taken over a property &quot;subject to&quot; where the seller gave me cash to take it. 

James Miller 

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;James Miller’s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://realestategozone.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-housing-market-run-for-cover-or-buy-like-mad/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Housing Market - run for cover or buy like mad?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary of a new twist on &#8220;subject to&#8221; for this market. </p>
<p>In answer to some of the comment questions:  </p>
<p>In &#8220;Subject to&#8221; investing, the deed is transferred, but the underlying mortgage and note stays in the sellers name.  Since the deed transfers you are truly &#8220;buying&#8221; the property. </p>
<p>Documents such as a &#8220;limited power of attorney&#8221; and &#8220;right to release information&#8221; are usually signed by the seller authorizing the new owner to act on their behalf with regard to anything having to do with the property. </p>
<p>There is the a concern about &#8220;due on sale&#8221; clauses that accelerate payment of the mortgage on transfer of ownership. These clauses are standard in mortgage documents, however in practice lenders tend not to enforce this as they would rather receive payments on the property that force a foreclosure.  </p>
<p>Just in case a lender does ever call a mortgage due, a document acknowledging this possibility is usually signed by the seller during the sale and retained by the buyer. </p>
<p>There is a lot of controversy surrounding purchasing &#8220;subject to&#8221; as unscrupulous characters can use it to skim equity from unsuspecting sellers. Leaving the seller on the hook for the mortgage. In practice a &#8220;Subject to&#8221; sale can often be the only answer to a sellers dilemma as closing costs are generally much lower than with a traditional sale. </p>
<p>To the question of what the purchase price would be, it is typically the mortgage balance, although I have taken over a property &#8220;subject to&#8221; where the seller gave me cash to take it. </p>
<p>James Miller </p>
<p><abbr><em>James Miller’s last blog post: <a href="http://realestategozone.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-housing-market-run-for-cover-or-buy-like-mad/" rel="nofollow">The Housing Market &#8211; run for cover or buy like mad?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Koch</title>
		<link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/01/14/creative-real-estate-investing-pay-subjectto/comment-page-1/#comment-63241</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Koch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea. I can see it working on many properties.

When you purchase the property, what is the purchase price? Is it just the mortgage balance?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jay Koch’s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://ownerfinanceguru.com/?p=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Board Certification for Continuing Education Credits&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea. I can see it working on many properties.</p>
<p>When you purchase the property, what is the purchase price? Is it just the mortgage balance?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jay Koch’s last blog post: <a href="http://ownerfinanceguru.com/?p=4" rel="nofollow">Board Certification for Continuing Education Credits</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Stan Thompsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Thompsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, but I&#039;m confused on one point.  Do you actually take title (prior to year 5)?  If so, doesn&#039;t this trigger the due-on-sale provision of the mortgage?  If not, the script should be changed to make clear you&#039;re actually *not* buying the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, but I&#8217;m confused on one point.  Do you actually take title (prior to year 5)?  If so, doesn&#8217;t this trigger the due-on-sale provision of the mortgage?  If not, the script should be changed to make clear you&#8217;re actually *not* buying the property.</p>
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