<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Why Real Estate Pros Don’t Need Facebook or Any Other Social Media</title> <atom:link href="http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/</link> <description>Learn, Network, Invest</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:57:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Christian</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-73582</link> <dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:23:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-73582</guid> <description>Josh - That was my thinking as well :) I don&#039;t fault him for taking issue with my thoughts here. After all, a good blogger will push some buttons now again, correct? Ha.Clearly, I make money helping professionals and small business owners with their sales strategies online, so the use of new media is essential to me as well. I definitely do not argue against using social media to market your business!My main goal here was to show that using social media poorly will do you no good at all, and that it&#039;s simply a tool...it&#039;s an awesome tool, and if you&#039;re willing to put the work in, you can get awesome results. But if you&#039;re not in a place where you&#039;re willing to put the work in, then leave it alone.Social media is absolutely optional, just like cell phones or any other tool out there :) .-= Christian&#180;s last blog ..Is Email Marketing a Fad? =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8211; That was my thinking as well <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I don&#8217;t fault him for taking issue with my thoughts here. After all, a good blogger will push some buttons now again, correct? Ha.</p><p>Clearly, I make money helping professionals and small business owners with their sales strategies online, so the use of new media is essential to me as well. I definitely do not argue against using social media to market your business!</p><p>My main goal here was to show that using social media poorly will do you no good at all, and that it&#8217;s simply a tool&#8230;it&#8217;s an awesome tool, and if you&#8217;re willing to put the work in, you can get awesome results. But if you&#8217;re not in a place where you&#8217;re willing to put the work in, then leave it alone.</p><p>Social media is absolutely optional, just like cell phones or any other tool out there <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br /> .-= Christian&#180;s last blog ..Is Email Marketing a Fad? =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua Dorkin</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-73564</link> <dc:creator>Joshua Dorkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:10:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-73564</guid> <description>Christian - If you follow Azam&#039;s link and read his comment, you&#039;ll see that he has some involvement with a social media marketing company.  If people think they can get along without using social media for their business, then his business model doesn&#039;t work.  I think that might be why he feels your title is misleading -- just speculating, of course.As I said before, I agree that social media is a great tool, but people can certainly do quite well without it (yes - it is also counter to my business model to say such a thing).  I know plenty of people in the business whose businesses are thriving without using any social media.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian &#8211;<br /> If you follow Azam&#8217;s link and read his comment, you&#8217;ll see that he has some involvement with a social media marketing company.  If people think they can get along without using social media for their business, then his business model doesn&#8217;t work.  I think that might be why he feels your title is misleading &#8212; just speculating, of course.</p><p>As I said before, I agree that social media is a great tool, but people can certainly do quite well without it (yes &#8211; it is also counter to my business model to say such a thing).  I know plenty of people in the business whose businesses are thriving without using any social media.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Christian</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-73563</link> <dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-73563</guid> <description>Azam - I&#039;m curious as to why you would accuse this post of being &quot;very misleading&quot;. The title is &quot;Why Real Estate Pros Don’t Need Facebook or Any Other Social Media&quot;, and I proceed to explain why I feel these tools are optional. Obviously, you&#039;re more than welcome to disagree with me, but I&#039;m not sure how I could have been more plain or straightforward here.That said, I feel your argument is fair, and I appreciate your feedback. I agree that the competent use of new media tools is highly beneficial to almost anyone in real estate. This principle does not, however, apply to 100% of us 100% of the time.I don&#039;t like blanket statements, and I see a lot of that out there coming from social media &quot;experts&quot; touting their wares...which is why I wrote this post :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azam &#8211; I&#8217;m curious as to why you would accuse this post of being &#8220;very misleading&#8221;. The title is &#8220;Why Real Estate Pros Don’t Need Facebook or Any Other Social Media&#8221;, and I proceed to explain why I feel these tools are optional. Obviously, you&#8217;re more than welcome to disagree with me, but I&#8217;m not sure how I could have been more plain or straightforward here.</p><p>That said, I feel your argument is fair, and I appreciate your feedback. I agree that the competent use of new media tools is highly beneficial to almost anyone in real estate. This principle does not, however, apply to 100% of us 100% of the time.</p><p>I don&#8217;t like blanket statements, and I see a lot of that out there coming from social media &#8220;experts&#8221; touting their wares&#8230;which is why I wrote this post <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: azam</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-73238</link> <dc:creator>azam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:57:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-73238</guid> <description>Very misleading title.The problem with your premise (and many other similar arguments also fall under this trap) is that using social technologies is only for communication, and if you aren&#039;t using them then you&#039;re failing. There&#039;s a lot that&#039;s missing between the &#039;rocking&#039; social media results a real estate agent (or anyone) can expect and &#039;failure&#039;.We will offer a solution for real estate agents to have a compeling facebook fan page and use that to aggregate media, provide useful, hyper-local content, and other tools like calculators with analytics and just having a place where people can find information and connect with others is better than nothing. Wouldn&#039;t one have to measure things like &#039;time spent and benefit&#039; and then &#039;time spent setting up tools but not using and benefit&#039; and then &#039;time spent setting up tools and time spent using it and benefits&#039; to understand the impact of putting in X amount of hours?A lot of people won&#039;t ever use these but it increases the perceived value of the real estate agent. Also, there&#039;s tools that can automate a lot. Obviously a really busy person can&#039;t respond to all 1 on 1 questions, but they can definitely plugin their twitter feed (if they are using it) or an RSS feed.Going completely virtual is no good as you will ignore a demographic. I think the benefit of social media will come from those that can engage their prospects and add value through content.I would argue that it&#039;s not that you don&#039;t need social media, but you should mandatorily use social media like Facebook and learn from the experience now. There&#039;s tremendous benefits that you would not want to ignore. It is almost imperative. Also these agents should start becoming familiar with how mobile will change the playing field when it comes to local search. Whether its SEO or social media, people may definitely begin their search online and using everything with an integrated and measurable approach will provide good results for real estate agents.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very misleading title.</p><p>The problem with your premise (and many other similar arguments also fall under this trap) is that using social technologies is only for communication, and if you aren&#8217;t using them then you&#8217;re failing. There&#8217;s a lot that&#8217;s missing between the &#8216;rocking&#8217; social media results a real estate agent (or anyone) can expect and &#8216;failure&#8217;.</p><p>We will offer a solution for real estate agents to have a compeling facebook fan page and use that to aggregate media, provide useful, hyper-local content, and other tools like calculators with analytics and just having a place where people can find information and connect with others is better than nothing. Wouldn&#8217;t one have to measure things like &#8216;time spent and benefit&#8217; and then &#8216;time spent setting up tools but not using and benefit&#8217; and then &#8216;time spent setting up tools and time spent using it and benefits&#8217; to understand the impact of putting in X amount of hours?</p><p>A lot of people won&#8217;t ever use these but it increases the perceived value of the real estate agent. Also, there&#8217;s tools that can automate a lot. Obviously a really busy person can&#8217;t respond to all 1 on 1 questions, but they can definitely plugin their twitter feed (if they are using it) or an RSS feed.</p><p>Going completely virtual is no good as you will ignore a demographic. I think the benefit of social media will come from those that can engage their prospects and add value through content.</p><p>I would argue that it&#8217;s not that you don&#8217;t need social media, but you should mandatorily use social media like Facebook and learn from the experience now. There&#8217;s tremendous benefits that you would not want to ignore. It is almost imperative. Also these agents should start becoming familiar with how mobile will change the playing field when it comes to local search. Whether its SEO or social media, people may definitely begin their search online and using everything with an integrated and measurable approach will provide good results for real estate agents.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Craig Grella</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-73001</link> <dc:creator>Craig Grella</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-73001</guid> <description>Good post.  I&#039;ve been following social media applications for the past few years and think they have great utility and value for business and real estate, if used correctly. Especially when it is more than just putting info up statically on facebook, twitter or their websites.On a more interesting note though, I had lunch today with the president of a very large real estate association here in Seattle. He talked about how many real estate gurus were taking their offerings completely online, trying to take advantage of the internet and reaching a broader base of customers.  However, what they&#039;re finding is that they are losing customer base, because the older generation (especially those with disposable income for real estate investment) are not as tech savvy as the younger generation and not as willing to sit through several hours in front of the computer doing some online course.  They want, or require, the personal contact.I thought that was an interesting development in how going completely virtual, and trying to market using only social media, is actually hurting business.Anyway, good post. Look forward to more. .-= Craig Grella&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cornerstonesvs.com/index.php/component/content/article/6-welcome-to-cornerstone&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Welcome to Cornerstone&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I&#8217;ve been following social media applications for the past few years and think they have great utility and value for business and real estate, if used correctly. Especially when it is more than just putting info up statically on facebook, twitter or their websites.</p><p>On a more interesting note though, I had lunch today with the president of a very large real estate association here in Seattle. He talked about how many real estate gurus were taking their offerings completely online, trying to take advantage of the internet and reaching a broader base of customers.  However, what they&#8217;re finding is that they are losing customer base, because the older generation (especially those with disposable income for real estate investment) are not as tech savvy as the younger generation and not as willing to sit through several hours in front of the computer doing some online course.  They want, or require, the personal contact.</p><p>I thought that was an interesting development in how going completely virtual, and trying to market using only social media, is actually hurting business.</p><p>Anyway, good post. Look forward to more.<br /> .-= Craig Grella&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.cornerstonesvs.com/index.php/component/content/article/6-welcome-to-cornerstone" rel="nofollow">Welcome to Cornerstone</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Christian</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72973</link> <dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72973</guid> <description>Jonathan - Thanks! You&#039;re right...it&#039;s not about getting on the band wagon; great way to put it. Don&#039;t do this stuff just because it&#039;s the thing to do; pick your tools carefully, then rock them!Karen - that&#039;s great feedback! I appreciate it. I would argue that social media and other forms of marketing are all simply instruments (thus the guitar analogy) used for the same ultimate purpose (with regards to business, anyway); that was my thinking.Cheryl - my post certainly isn&#039;t meant as an argument to NOT use social media. Just that it&#039;s optional. As a professional, I would urge you to investigate it until you &quot;get it&quot;, and then make an informed decision if you want to make it one of your weapons of choice.Josh - thanks very much. It&#039;s easy to get wrapped up in hype; fact is that many businesses don&#039;t use social media. I think they could benefit massively by implementing on it...but at the end of the day, life is short. Do what you love, do what works :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan &#8211; Thanks! You&#8217;re right&#8230;it&#8217;s not about getting on the band wagon; great way to put it. Don&#8217;t do this stuff just because it&#8217;s the thing to do; pick your tools carefully, then rock them!</p><p>Karen &#8211; that&#8217;s great feedback! I appreciate it. I would argue that social media and other forms of marketing are all simply instruments (thus the guitar analogy) used for the same ultimate purpose (with regards to business, anyway); that was my thinking.</p><p>Cheryl &#8211; my post certainly isn&#8217;t meant as an argument to NOT use social media. Just that it&#8217;s optional. As a professional, I would urge you to investigate it until you &#8220;get it&#8221;, and then make an informed decision if you want to make it one of your weapons of choice.</p><p>Josh &#8211; thanks very much. It&#8217;s easy to get wrapped up in hype; fact is that many businesses don&#8217;t use social media. I think they could benefit massively by implementing on it&#8230;but at the end of the day, life is short. Do what you love, do what works <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joshua Dorkin</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72970</link> <dc:creator>Joshua Dorkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:26:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72970</guid> <description>Cheryl - What you&#039;re missing, IMO, is that social media is about connecting and relationships, not just promoting yourself.  I edited your comment because 1/2 of it was just a plug that was completely irrelevant to the post - that&#039;s just bad form.  If you step up and connect with people on a real level, they will visit your site, and you won&#039;t need to plug yourself everywhere you go.Christian - Awesome post!  Social media is just that . . . another form of media.  While it can certainly be an important tool, by no means is is something that people need to succeed in the business of real estate.  Great commentary!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl &#8211; What you&#8217;re missing, IMO, is that social media is about connecting and relationships, not just promoting yourself.  I edited your comment because 1/2 of it was just a plug that was completely irrelevant to the post &#8211; that&#8217;s just bad form.  If you step up and connect with people on a real level, they will visit your site, and you won&#8217;t need to plug yourself everywhere you go.</p><p>Christian &#8211; Awesome post!  Social media is just that . . . another form of media.  While it can certainly be an important tool, by no means is is something that people need to succeed in the business of real estate.  Great commentary!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cheryl Peck</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72962</link> <dc:creator>Cheryl Peck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:44:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72962</guid> <description>Great news for someone who has been told social networking is a must. I just don&#039;t get Facebook and Twitter. Most of it seems to be mundane drivel. Maybe I&#039;m missing something!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news for someone who has been told social networking is a must. I just don&#8217;t get Facebook and Twitter. Most of it seems to be mundane drivel. Maybe I&#8217;m missing something!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Stafford</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72961</link> <dc:creator>Karen Stafford</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:26:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72961</guid> <description>Good points, but you need a better analogy than the guitar if you are saying using social media is optional. Because, whether a person is a novice or professional musician, they MUST have the guitar to make music - it&#039;s not optional. Otherwise, great article.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, but you need a better analogy than the guitar if you are saying using social media is optional. Because, whether a person is a novice or professional musician, they MUST have the guitar to make music &#8211; it&#8217;s not optional. Otherwise, great article.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James Ward</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72952</link> <dc:creator>James Ward</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:31:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72952</guid> <description>Great post!  You are probably first person that has taken the time to break this down.  And I personally feel that this is the truth.Thanks, James</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  You are probably first person that has taken the time to break this down.  And I personally feel that this is the truth.</p><p>Thanks,<br /> James</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jonathan Bentz</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/09/29/real-estate-pros-dont-facebook-social-media/#comment-72947</link> <dc:creator>Jonathan Bentz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:21:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=7374#comment-72947</guid> <description>I was totally prepared to come on this blog post and comment about why real estate agents NEED social media... but that was before I read your article. Your analogy about the guitarists is spot on!Agents shouldn&#039;t have a presence in social media just because everyone on the internet says they should. Besides, an old, out of date social media profile is likely a negative thing for your business because it makes you seem out of touch and gives the impression you might no longer be in business.Bottom line - if you&#039;re going to use Facebook, Twitter, etc. to try and boost your business, then use it. There&#039;s a lot more to social media then registering and never returning.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was totally prepared to come on this blog post and comment about why real estate agents NEED social media&#8230; but that was before I read your article. Your analogy about the guitarists is spot on!</p><p>Agents shouldn&#8217;t have a presence in social media just because everyone on the internet says they should. Besides, an old, out of date social media profile is likely a negative thing for your business because it makes you seem out of touch and gives the impression you might no longer be in business.</p><p>Bottom line &#8211; if you&#8217;re going to use Facebook, Twitter, etc. to try and boost your business, then use it. There&#8217;s a lot more to social media then registering and never returning.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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