<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: 4 Key Lessons I Learned From my Rotten Virtual Assistant Experience</title> <atom:link href="http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/</link> <description>Learn, Network, Invest</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:37:50 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-100719</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:43:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-100719</guid> <description>I agree 100% that you need to clearly communicate to your VA/intern your expectations and deadlines. If you don&#039;t give them deadlines for tasks to be completed, THEY WILL NEVER GET DONE!I learned this after experimenting with my interns but have since learned to give them specific deadlines on each task. It is OK to give them some leeway if they are slightly late on non-timely projects but make sure you at least give them a deadline. It&#039;s amazing how much quicker things get done this way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% that you need to clearly communicate to your VA/intern your expectations and deadlines. If you don&#8217;t give them deadlines for tasks to be completed, THEY WILL NEVER GET DONE!</p><p>I learned this after experimenting with my interns but have since learned to give them specific deadlines on each task. It is OK to give them some leeway if they are slightly late on non-timely projects but make sure you at least give them a deadline. It&#8217;s amazing how much quicker things get done this way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shae Bynes</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-100683</link> <dc:creator>Shae Bynes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-100683</guid> <description>Hey Kevin, so glad that you&#039;ve been successful with your interns!  Thanks for sharing your experience and for the generous offer to share what the files and resources that are working for you.  It sounds like you have a pretty awesome article that you could be writing and sharing here for the BiggerPockets community :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kevin, so glad that you&#8217;ve been successful with your interns!  Thanks for sharing your experience and for the generous offer to share what the files and resources that are working for you.  It sounds like you have a pretty awesome article that you could be writing and sharing here for the BiggerPockets community <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-100198</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-100198</guid> <description>Hey Shae,Awesome post! I&#039;m into wholesaling properties in the Chicagoland area. Instead of hiring VAs for your business, you should seriously consider hiring interns. I work with several interns across the country. Instead of paying them an hourly wage, I just pay them on a commission base (20-50% of the profits of the deals that come through them). Now, I&#039;m really starting to see the value of interns and how building a team of them can really take your business to a whole new level.VAs can be a big waste of time and money. The great thing about interns is, the worst that could happen is that you get a bad intern (I&#039;ve had quite a few.) But in that case, just hire another one (or a couple more.) There&#039;s no limit to how many you can work with and you don&#039;t need to pay them unless they make money (in which case you both make money.)I have a recently been helping other people hire their own interns by giving them all the files and resources that I use to hire and manage my interns (job descriptions, interview script, email templates, list of tasks, etc.)  I&#039;d be more than willing to share any and all these files with you or anyone else that desires them.Let me know!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Shae,</p><p>Awesome post! I&#8217;m into wholesaling properties in the Chicagoland area. Instead of hiring VAs for your business, you should seriously consider hiring interns. I work with several interns across the country. Instead of paying them an hourly wage, I just pay them on a commission base (20-50% of the profits of the deals that come through them). Now, I&#8217;m really starting to see the value of interns and how building a team of them can really take your business to a whole new level.</p><p>VAs can be a big waste of time and money. The great thing about interns is, the worst that could happen is that you get a bad intern (I&#8217;ve had quite a few.) But in that case, just hire another one (or a couple more.) There&#8217;s no limit to how many you can work with and you don&#8217;t need to pay them unless they make money (in which case you both make money.)</p><p>I have a recently been helping other people hire their own interns by giving them all the files and resources that I use to hire and manage my interns (job descriptions, interview script, email templates, list of tasks, etc.)  I&#8217;d be more than willing to share any and all these files with you or anyone else that desires them.</p><p>Let me know!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-96301</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-96301</guid> <description>Great article Shae, there is a reason you are getting comments so far after the fact!  Many people have virtual assistance and in the ever expanding world of internet communication, it is not always easy where to draw the line and what to expect.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Shae, there is a reason you are getting comments so far after the fact!  Many people have virtual assistance and in the ever expanding world of internet communication, it is not always easy where to draw the line and what to expect.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shae Bynes</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-96274</link> <dc:creator>Shae Bynes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:12:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-96274</guid> <description>Wow, still getting comments on this a year and a half later!  Thanks Kathy!I&#039;ve had terrific experiences with virtual assistants since this post thanks to the lessons learned from the not so great experiences :-)   Your tips are definitely excellent ones.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, still getting comments on this a year and a half later!  Thanks Kathy!</p><p>I&#8217;ve had terrific experiences with virtual assistants since this post thanks to the lessons learned from the not so great experiences <img src='http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Your tips are definitely excellent ones.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kathy Goldman, REVA</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-96273</link> <dc:creator>Kathy Goldman, REVA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-96273</guid> <description>As a REVA, I offer the same advice as others have already set before you. Be sure to interview thouroghly and keep the lines of communication wide open. It&#039;s easier for things to drop through the cracks if the communication is not strong. Sometimes clients have difficulty in letting go or micro-managing. Your VA should be professionally trained and have the skills to jump right in. My advice to both Agnets and to VAs I coach, use the initial interview time wisely. If you have ANY weird feelings about that person, then there may not be a good fit. Should you find that to be the case, cut your losses and end the relationship. I am sure I don&#039;t need to tell anyone that undue stress is not necessary! Good luck to you if you are seeking a VA. Ask for references, check out their social networks and look to see how a VA shows up online. They are an extension of your business!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a REVA, I offer the same advice as others have already set before you. Be sure to interview thouroghly and keep the lines of communication wide open. It&#8217;s easier for things to drop through the cracks if the communication is not strong. Sometimes clients have difficulty in letting go or micro-managing. Your VA should be professionally trained and have the skills to jump right in. My advice to both Agnets and to VAs I coach, use the initial interview time wisely. If you have ANY weird feelings about that person, then there may not be a good fit. Should you find that to be the case, cut your losses and end the relationship. I am sure I don&#8217;t need to tell anyone that undue stress is not necessary!<br /> Good luck to you if you are seeking a VA. Ask for references, check out their social networks and look to see how a VA shows up online. They are an extension of your business!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mathew</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-93222</link> <dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:27:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-93222</guid> <description>Hi Jonathan,May I ask where you go to find your pool of VA applicants? Using a reliable VA for $3-4 per hour seems like a no-brainer. Thanks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan,</p><p>May I ask where you go to find your pool of VA applicants? Using a reliable VA for $3-4 per hour seems like a no-brainer. Thanks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shae Bynes</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-91297</link> <dc:creator>Shae Bynes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:49:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-91297</guid> <description>I love the additional ideas you added here.  Thanks Jonathan!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the additional ideas you added here.  Thanks Jonathan!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jonathan Blue</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-91277</link> <dc:creator>Jonathan Blue</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-91277</guid> <description>Sorry it has been awhile since I posted comments on this site, but I have a personal interest in how other deal with Virtual Assistants. I deal with VA&#039;s literally all of my day working as a marketing coordinator for a Cincinnati based real estate investor. I went throught probably 10 different VA&#039;s before I learned a good secret that Shae touched on. When I need to hire a new VA I put them through a two step audition process. I first pick out the ones I want to participate, which is usually all that apply. (As a side note even though a site may say the person has no experience on their site, doesnt mean they wont do an amazing job. One of my best had no oDesk experience when I hired him.) I start them with a simple task that I already know all the answers to and make them really work for the information. (Once hired, they have full worksheets and step by step instruction on how to get the info, but for the test they get nothing.) Once that is done I take my five or six best and offer them a paid $5 second test which is a full research task with no help. The top one or two that I choose based on speed and accuracy will get the job. I have found some of my best VA&#039;s from doing this process and by giving them no help at all in the beginning I know I can throw anything at them and they will be able to handle without a problem.I do agree communication is almost always a problem, but if you are smart and understand that you get what you pay for, you can get amazing VA&#039;s for only $3.00 or $4.00 an hour. I have found in my work with VA&#039;s that if you go any lower than that the work is always shoddy. Also, another way to get work done faster is to offer a bonus program for speed or accurancy. If you are only paying a few dollars an hour then offering a bonus would be no real streatch. You would be amazing the kind of motivation $20 will bring.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it has been awhile since I posted comments on this site, but I have a personal interest in how other deal with Virtual Assistants. I deal with VA&#8217;s literally all of my day working as a marketing coordinator for a Cincinnati based real estate investor. I went throught probably 10 different VA&#8217;s before I learned a good secret that Shae touched on. When I need to hire a new VA I put them through a two step audition process. I first pick out the ones I want to participate, which is usually all that apply. (As a side note even though a site may say the person has no experience on their site, doesnt mean they wont do an amazing job. One of my best had no oDesk experience when I hired him.) I start them with a simple task that I already know all the answers to and make them really work for the information. (Once hired, they have full worksheets and step by step instruction on how to get the info, but for the test they get nothing.) Once that is done I take my five or six best and offer them a paid $5 second test which is a full research task with no help. The top one or two that I choose based on speed and accuracy will get the job. I have found some of my best VA&#8217;s from doing this process and by giving them no help at all in the beginning I know I can throw anything at them and they will be able to handle without a problem.</p><p>I do agree communication is almost always a problem, but if you are smart and understand that you get what you pay for, you can get amazing VA&#8217;s for only $3.00 or $4.00 an hour. I have found in my work with VA&#8217;s that if you go any lower than that the work is always shoddy. Also, another way to get work done faster is to offer a bonus program for speed or accurancy. If you are only paying a few dollars an hour then offering a bonus would be no real streatch. You would be amazing the kind of motivation $20 will bring.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-88502</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-88502</guid> <description>I have used VAs for a variety of tasks and have had a variety of results.1.  The first hire is still part of my team as my audio transcriber.  I tested all the candidates with the same test sample and he provided the best results.  We&#039;ve smoothed out our processes with great communication.2.  The second hire was a poser.  After telling me he could complete the task, I then had to spend 3 hours training him.  My failure here was not sending him a test project as I had done with the first hire.  I would have seen quickly that this was a failure.  He completed the project after training, but I had to slim down my requirements because I was tired of training him.  After I closed the contract, he was begging me to change my ratings, and wanting more work. . .  Fired.3.  The third hire - i tested.  Out of 17 applicants, she passed.  She completed the task I needed in one hour, no training needed.  I&#039;d rehire her again for that task.4.  The fourth one, I&#039;ve hired and continue to use.  Communication has been good and she fills a big need for a bi-lingual assistant.I would agree with your lessons.  Test before hiring. . .Chris</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used VAs for a variety of tasks and have had a variety of results.</p><p>1.  The first hire is still part of my team as my audio transcriber.  I tested all the candidates with the same test sample and he provided the best results.  We&#8217;ve smoothed out our processes with great communication.</p><p>2.  The second hire was a poser.  After telling me he could complete the task, I then had to spend 3 hours training him.  My failure here was not sending him a test project as I had done with the first hire.  I would have seen quickly that this was a failure.  He completed the project after training, but I had to slim down my requirements because I was tired of training him.  After I closed the contract, he was begging me to change my ratings, and wanting more work. . .  Fired.</p><p>3.  The third hire &#8211; i tested.  Out of 17 applicants, she passed.  She completed the task I needed in one hour, no training needed.  I&#8217;d rehire her again for that task.</p><p>4.  The fourth one, I&#8217;ve hired and continue to use.  Communication has been good and she fills a big need for a bi-lingual assistant.</p><p>I would agree with your lessons.  Test before hiring. . .</p><p>Chris</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ezra</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-80687</link> <dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:30:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-80687</guid> <description>My experience using virtual assistants, thus far, has been extremely positive. I did research best practices to employ prior to hiring a VA and,  hence was able to avoid a lot of mistakes that definitely would have been made.  All in all, I got 1 years worth of work done in 3 months by hiring virtual assistants. I built a website around using virtual assistants with my own advice- see website link below.Other tips I would add, besides getting/ calling references are: 1. Ask for a sample of work - if they don&#039;t have one, offer to pay a VA to produce  a small sample. Tell them hiring will be based on the result of that work.2. Try hiring a VA overseas. Their hourly rates are lower. This way you can try several VAs out at a time and hire the cream of the crop.3. Always document the work you give to a VA. By &quot;document&quot; I mean, write down, or create a short video that explains how to do an assignment. This way, if you lose or need to hire another VA, you can just send them that video that explains how to complete the task. (you can use Jing, which is free, to create up to a 5 min video) see techsmith.com for access to Jing. Also, some other useful resources in the videos I create.4. Use a resource like Odesk (see my website below and videos on this) that remit secure payments to VAs that keeps your credit card information secure. ( &lt; this was my biggest fear in hiring a VA - how to pay them so that my info was kept secure.)... I actually read the book &quot;the 4-hour workweek&quot; over one year before I took the leap into hiring VAs for just this reason and the fact that I never found a place I trusted to hire a VA. - ... I know sceptic to the max... oh, well, you live. you learn.Overall, my experiences thus far in using VAs has been great. I&#039;ve lost a VA here and there that didn&#039;t want to do work I assigned, but what i have found is that if you establish ground rules up front re: communication as well as asking them if the assignment is one that they would want to do, your relationship will be long and fruitful.Enjoy, Ezra a Virtual Assistant Junkie</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience using virtual assistants, thus far, has been extremely positive. I did research best practices to employ prior to hiring a VA and,  hence was able to avoid a lot of mistakes that definitely would have been made.  All in all, I got 1 years worth of work done in 3 months by hiring virtual assistants. I built a website around using virtual assistants with my own advice- see website link below.</p><p>Other tips I would add, besides getting/ calling references are:<br /> 1. Ask for a sample of work &#8211; if they don&#8217;t have one, offer to pay a VA to produce  a small sample. Tell them hiring will be based on the result of that work.</p><p>2. Try hiring a VA overseas. Their hourly rates are lower. This way you can try several VAs out at a time and hire the cream of the crop.</p><p>3. Always document the work you give to a VA. By &#8220;document&#8221; I mean, write down, or create a short video that explains how to do an assignment. This way, if you lose or need to hire another VA, you can just send them that video that explains how to complete the task. (you can use Jing, which is free, to create up to a 5 min video) see techsmith.com for access to Jing. Also, some other useful resources in the videos I create.</p><p>4. Use a resource like Odesk (see my website below and videos on this) that remit secure payments to VAs that keeps your credit card information secure. ( &lt; this was my biggest fear in hiring a VA &#8211; how to pay them so that my info was kept secure.)&#8230; I actually read the book &quot;the 4-hour workweek&quot; over one year before I took the leap into hiring VAs for just this reason and the fact that I never found a place I trusted to hire a VA. &#8211; &#8230; I know sceptic to the max&#8230; oh, well, you live. you learn.</p><p>Overall, my experiences thus far in using VAs has been great. I&#039;ve lost a VA here and there that didn&#039;t want to do work I assigned, but what i have found is that if you establish ground rules up front re: communication as well as asking them if the assignment is one that they would want to do, your relationship will be long and fruitful.</p><p>Enjoy,<br /> Ezra<br /> a Virtual Assistant Junkie</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rachel</title><link>http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2009/12/03/4-key-lessons-learned-rotten-virtual-assistant-experience/#comment-76136</link> <dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/?p=9102#comment-76136</guid> <description>I am going to second Cathryn&#039;s comment regarding posting your request for a virtual assistant using an RFP. In doing so you will be able to screen out people right away, be exposed to their writing and communication styles and see if they understand your requirements - all this from their response to you.   I would suggest posting your request for help as a “problem” to see the different approaches.  Then you can choose someone that you feel is a perfect match for you.I feel a virtual assistant should be considered like a business partner that is trying to help you grow your business.  The right “fit” is very important for both parties.Great article and don’t give up, the right assistant is there for you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to second Cathryn&#8217;s comment regarding posting your request for a virtual assistant using an RFP. In doing so you will be able to screen out people right away, be exposed to their writing and communication styles and see if they understand your requirements &#8211; all this from their response to you.   I would suggest posting your request for help as a “problem” to see the different approaches.  Then you can choose someone that you feel is a perfect match for you.</p><p>I feel a virtual assistant should be considered like a business partner that is trying to help you grow your business.  The right “fit” is very important for both parties.</p><p>Great article and don’t give up, the right assistant is there for you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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