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The Longest Real Estate Closing Ever?!?! Finally – Resolution!

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January 9, 2008 was a LONG time ago! On that date, I went into contract with a buyer of one of my properties. Fast forward one hundred and fourteen days later (114) – Today – And look at my joy! WE FINALLY CLOSED!! In that time, my buyer went through 2 mortgage brokers, 3 banks, [...] View the full article: The Longest Real Estate Closing Ever?!?! Finally – Resolution! on The BiggerPockets Blog. This content is Copyright © 2017 BiggerPockets, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Joshua Dorkin is a serial entrepreneur, investor, podcaster, publisher, educator, and co-author of How to Invest in Real Estate. He started BiggerPockets to help democratize the real estate investing landscape for himself and others, aiming to make it accessible for everyone, regardless of income or education. Today, BiggerPockets is the premier real estate investing website online with over one million members and reaching over 70 million people with the message of financial freedom through real estate investing. Joshua, along with his wife and three daughters, make their home in Denver, Colorado, and spend any time they can traveling, exploring, and adventuring. Read more about Joshua’s story in 5280 and Inc.com.

    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I feel your pain Joshua. I’m also feeling your elation and relief. 🙂 Go fishin’ or something. You’ve obviously earned it.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Thanks Jeff! I’m assuming you are currently or you just went through something similar? I haven’t decided what I’m going to do, but I’m going to do it with a much clearer mind, that’s for sure!
    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    You guessed it, and it’s ongoing. As you experienced, there are things happening out there that are simply too stupid to make up, ‘cuz nobody would believe you anyway. 🙂
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Sorry to hear that, Jeff! No one still believes me, but that’s cool . . . its too bad the folks in the Federal govt have no clue that this crap is going on. Sadly, even if they did, they wouldn’t give a damn.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Sorry to hear that, Jeff! No one still believes me, but that’s cool . . . its too bad the folks in the Federal govt have no clue that this crap is going on. Sadly, even if they did, they wouldn’t give a damn. Reply Report comment
    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    The problem with gov’t trying to deal with this kinda thing, is that if they rose two levels up the ladder of ‘understanding’ they’d still be woefully behind the knowledge curve. When underwriters sometimes can’t spell their own names right three times in a row, you realize the deck just might be stacked against you. 🙂
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    That’s pretty bad! We had one of the lenders feed the property into their system as a SFR instead of a 4-family…. 2 weeks later they discovered their screw-up. It was back to the drawing board from there!
    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Joshua — Never tell the first story! 🙂 I’m gonna post on this in the next couple weeks, documenting some of the silliest events I’ve witnessed first hand in all my decades in the biz. The fact that most of the players involved graduated from college is staggering, and depressing simultaneously.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Definitely let me know when you post about your situation! Its good to have a partner in suffering, isn’t it. 🙂
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Definitely let me know when you post about your situation! Its good to have a partner in suffering, isn’t it. 🙂
    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Speaking for myself, I seem to find a perverse pleasure, and a slight cessation in pain, when I learn I’m not the Lone Ranger. 🙂
    fathersez
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I am happy for you. My wife and I just sold our property after almost 5 months. We are happy that once the sale is settled, the money will be put to great use…..paying down debts. Regards
    Aurora Realtor
    Replied over 11 years ago
    As a Realtor who had 3 closings fall apart in March due to some stupid reasons (not quite so stupid as photographic proof of a window opening) – I can honestly say I feel your pain. One of the deals I had worked months on fell apart one day before closing – the lender denied the buyer the loan because they said the property was “inappropriate”. Apparently the lender felt the home was too close to train tracks and wouldn’t hold its value. Not only are we dealing with lenders who seemingly just don’t want to lend any money to anyone, we’re dealing with underwriters and loan officers who are dealing with requirements that change daily. There have been numerous errors (by the lenders or underwriters – not me) in other deals that I’ve had to work out because things are so topsy-turvy right now. Noone seems to know what they heck they’re doing anymore.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    fathersez – Were you in contract for 5 months, or was the property for sale for 5 months? If your property was in contract for 5 months and the buyer couldn’t close, then that blows our situation away. If the property was for sale for 5 months, then I feel for you, but that is not that spectacular in this day and age. The aforementioned property was for sale for 1.5 years and I went through quite a few buyers before the one who just closed with me. Aurora Realtor – Please jump on our forums and share some of your tales of woe with us. I’d be very interested (as I’m sure others would as well) in hearing about all the troubles your clients have gone through lately. I am sorry that you and they have had to deal with this nonsense, BTW.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    fathersez – Were you in contract for 5 months, or was the property for sale for 5 months? If your property was in contract for 5 months and the buyer couldn’t close, then that blows our situation away. If the property was for sale for 5 months, then I feel for you, but that is not that spectacular in this day and age. The aforementioned property was for sale for 1.5 years and I went through quite a few buyers before the one who just closed with me. Aurora Realtor – Please jump on our forums and share some of your tales of woe with us. I’d be very interested (as I’m sure others would as well) in hearing about all the troubles your clients have gone through lately. I am sorry that you and they have had to deal with this nonsense, BTW.
    Ifie
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Should a differentiation be made between the lending climate for people in different regions and for different types of properties? Or is it your sense that across the country, regardless of region, and across different types of properties (e.g. single family home purchase as primary residence, multi-unit rental property) banks and related institutions are becoming very tight with financing options?
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I’ll say that it is happening across the country, especially with the national lenders. I’ve heard that people are having a somewhat easier time with small, local banks, but I can’t verify that for sure.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I’ll say that it is happening across the country, especially with the national lenders. I’ve heard that people are having a somewhat easier time with small, local banks, but I can’t verify that for sure.
    Anonymous
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Congrats on the Closing! They do take a long time somtimes!
    BawldGuy Talking
    Replied over 11 years ago
    >Should a differentiation be made between the lending climate for people in different regions and for different types of properties? I have a different view than some due to the geographical nature of my firm’s business. We do business in several states, and see distinct differences in lenders’ ah, enthusiasm for the different regions. In CA & AZ for example, a close lender buddy has recently seen appraisals reviewed three times for a purchase with a 50% down payment. If the appraisal was knocked DOWN 25% arbitrarily they’d still be only lending on a loan to value of 67%! Yet in Texas, we’re closing 90% investor loans barely slower than pancakes being sold at a Boy Scout breakfast. Lenders know where they’d like the money to end up, as they listen intently when their investors yell, ah, whisper into their ear. 🙂
    Denton Ward
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Fortunately it did close! What a pain in the butt! Those carrying costs can’t help the profits either…but nonetheless, its gone now.
    Gaydon - Cedar City Real Estate
    Replied over 11 years ago
    Great post. There are a lot of people who feel the same way that you do and can testify to the intensity of the crash that we have experienced. In Utah we are starting to see some growth and the attitude of consumers is beginning to change. Thanks for helping us feel normal.
    Teri Lussier
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I once listed a short sale that took 3.5 months to close after we had an accepted contract. It gave me more than a few sleepless nights. OTOH, I learned a tremendous amount about holding a deal together. I think in the end, I got paid about .04 cents/ hour on that one, but the education was priceless! When I tell people about this, typically at this point, the question comes up: Would you do it again? We held the closing (separate, and dry!) on a card table in a quiet corner of a CVS Pharmacy. As my sellers gathered up their things and we prepared to say our good-byes, they turned to me, looked me square in the eyes, took my hand and said “Thank you so much! We really don’t know what we would have done without you.” So… Would I do it again?
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I would Teri. Sadly, I was in a very weak position and my buyer was really one of a few options left on this property for me. Since he wanted the property, regardless, we were able to keep it alive and make both of us happy.
    Joshua Dorkin
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I would Teri. Sadly, I was in a very weak position and my buyer was really one of a few options left on this property for me. Since he wanted the property, regardless, we were able to keep it alive and make both of us happy.
    Eric Conrad
    Replied over 11 years ago
    I’m right with you all. I’ve got a deal that’s been on the table since Jan. 27th, and I STILL have no closing!!! In fact, our loan was JUST refused again… Yes, I’m in Phoenix, AZ. We had to give photo proof that a window existed one time, because the last appraisal showed it boarded up. A little better than the window opening story, but still. We’ve gone through about 6 loans and banks ourselves to be rejected a day before close. In fact, our latest loan just got refused on THE DAY of funding because they wanted another month of paperwork to prove we aren’t running out on our current house, which is 50k upside down. Ridiculous! On the other hand, I might just need a new loan officer. I will seriously consider what you are saying about Texas…
    Sam Dodd - Cedar City Homes
    Replied about 11 years ago
    Congrats on closing thats what counts. I totally concur that banks are not wanting to lend any more money out. I think they are retracting to far personally but I guess I don’t have a say.
    Robin Gauthier
    Replied over 8 years ago
    I am on day 109. This is actually my second buyer. My first one defaulted. So this is 109 days with the SECOND buyer. I have only been through two banks. After 64 days the manager at the first bank told me that the loan officer was fired from the first bank for fudging the income and W2 information of the buyer on the loan application paperwork, so she got a job at a second bank….I found this out by accident because my real estate agent neglected to tell me about any of this….and my buyer followed the loan officer over to the second bank to apply for a new loan. My buyer is finally approved for her new loan, and my house has had to be re-appraised, and now my appraisal is sitting on the desk in the under-writers office at the new bank and I can’t seem to get anyone there to reach out their hand and grasp the paperwork to look at it, even though they have had it for a week. I called the bank today to ask them to please, please look at the appraisal, because of a major personal emergency situation that has arisen, and their response was that I am not the borrower and they can’t give me any information about the loan, and that if I want any information about the loan I have to contact the borrower.