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Often, fellow real estate investors ask me why I do notes or how I got into the note business. The truth is, though, that just about everyone is in the note business. People oftentimes have car loans, student loans, credit cards, or mortgages. It’s just that they’re usually writing checks to banks instead of receiving them “as the bank.”

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For me, becoming interested in notes happened almost by accident as my investing career evolved.

At first, I was a real estate agent and a painting contractor who just happened to have good credit and the skills to fix up properties — and I thought the only way to get rich was by working hard and investing in physical real estate. At that time, I hadn't realized that all cash flow isn't created equal.

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Owning Notes vs. Property Management

It wasn’t until I joined a real estate networking group that I discovered hard money, private money, and seller financed notes, along with other new concepts and strategies, such as owner financing and carrying a second mortgage as the seller.

As I was looking to expand my personal portfolio of buy and hold properties, I was running out of options with residential loans. It was either commercial loans with tougher terms, more fees, plus tighter margins due to lower cash flows, or I had to get more creative with things like lease options, “subject to” deals, and private financing.

The real game changer for me was realizing I could lend out money from my IRA and from HELOCs (Home Equity Lines of Credit) that I had on all my apartments and SFRs (Single-family Residential Properties). The yields were nice (15-18%, one year interest only, oftentimes with points), and I had several friends who could put my money to work. As my portfolio of short-term rehab loans grew, it became too obvious how easy this type of cash flow was to earn compared to property management.

At the time, I had 40 units of my own, and I was managing approximately a hundred units as a RE/MAX agent. Property management took a lot of time. I had to deal with tenants, repairs, contractors, townships, inspectors, and eviction court.

With notes I had to deal with a homeowner/borrower, but not with repairs, townships, contractors, or inspectors — and I rarely dealt with legal situations like court.

I quickly noticed that this other form of cash flow backed by real estate without tenants was pretty cool. Up until this point, I managed properties for over 15 years the old-fashioned way, and I had even gone into commercial properties like mobile home parks, storage centers, and commercial office condos all in an effort to get away from the typical tenant. But nothing had compared to the ease of note investing.

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Advantages of Notes

There are many advantages of note investing besides just cash flow. One is that you can start with deploying a small amount of capital. For example, some peer-to-peer lending companies allow you to purchase partials, or portions of a note, for as low as $25.

Another advantage is that you can enjoy increased liquidity. Notes can be sold or recapitalized very quickly. You can even borrow against the note using a Collateral Assignment of Note and Mortgage. You can also sell a partial.

Although you don’t have depreciation deductions like you do in hard real estate, it’s still much better than earned income, tax wise, since it’s considered passive. It even has what I call “phantom appreciation.” This isn’t appreciation in the true sense of the word like in real estate, but if you own a partial equity note and more equity comes back in the marketplace, suddenly your note has become more valuable. Notes with a discount also have the potential kicker, which is the difference between the purchase price and the payoff, if the borrower were to pay off early.

As you can see, owning notes can be a very scalable way to increase cash flow.

[Editor’s Note: We are republishing this article to help out our newer readers.]

So, what types of cash flow do you like?

Be sure to comment below!

Since 2007, Dave Van Horn has served as president and CEO of PPR The Note Co., a holding company that manages several funds that buy, sell, and hold residential mortgages nationwide. Dave’s expertise is derived from over 30 years of residential and commercial real estate experience as a licensed Realtor, a real estate investor, and a fundraiser. As the latter, Dave has raised over $100 million in both notes and commercial real estate. In addition to his investments and role as CEO, Dave’s biggest passion is to teach others how to share, build, and preserve wealth. He authored Real Estate Note Investing, an introduction to the note investing business, helping investors enter the “other side” of the real estate business.

    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Krishna, NNN property may also be another headache free strategy, but in my experience I never had as high of a yield with them as I’ve had with even re-performing notes. Can I ask, what is it about notes that scare you? Maybe I can alleviate some of your questions/concerns. Best, Dave
    kris
    Replied over 3 years ago
    At age 75, cannot take any chance. NNN gives me 5% guaranteed by corporate lease Walgreens. Let heir worry after me, they can extend lease for 50 more yr with 0 mtg to pay or sell and land is worth at least a million. kris
    Steve Vaughan Rental Property Investor from East Wenatchee, WA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Was so afraid this was a sit back and let a PM take care of everything for you article! Had a check and make sure lol. Good article again, Dave. I haven’t done notes yet, mainly because of tax treat!ent on interest income, but a good re!onder of an alternative RE investment vehicle!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Thanks Steve! And it’s true about interest income, but tax wise it’s still better than earned income! Not to mention, SDIRA investing does a lot to make up for it. Best, Dave
    Laura
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave My husband and I have invested in several sfh in the past but, are now looking into other investments thru our SDIRA. Note investing is something we are considering. Can you please tell me where can I get a copy of your new ebook. Thanks Laura
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Laura! You can find a copy of our e-book here: http://www.pprnoteacademy.com/intro/ If you ever have any other note or real estate questions, do let me know. Always happy to help out new investors. Best, Dave
    Jonathan Fowler Entrepreneur from Frisco, TX
    Replied over 3 years ago
    What are the best resources, books, and articles to learn how to get started in note investing? Thanks!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Jonathan, Keep an eye on your inbox. I’ll have to PM you an advance copy of my Introduction to Note Investing E-book! Best, Dave
    Anthony Cecena Rental Property Investor from Arroyo Grande, CA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hey Dave, Im a PPR member and ready to pull the trigger on a NP2nd. I absolutely love reading your articles you are a wealth of note buying information!! Could i get a copy of your Intro to Note e-book? Ill gladly buy it. Is it on the website? Thx
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Anthony! I’ll private message you a free copy. Best, Dave
    Jerry W. Investor from Thermopolis, Wyoming
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Dave, I always enjoy your blogs. A lot of experience from someone who has done it. I appreciate your knowledge and common sense.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Thanks Jerry!
    GARY
    Replied over 3 years ago
    What the author leaves out is what happens when the note does not perform. For the most part, the buyers of the houses underwritten with private mortgages ( notes) are not the folks that waltz into Chase or Bank of America and get a loan. Many of the buyers are good people, maybe self employed that cannot get traditional loans. Others have high debt to income or past issues with credit. There is usually a reason why they are paying higher rates and/or points to obtain a loan. Unlike rentals, the foreclosure process is very long and cumbersome. It may take years to get the property back and who knows what it will look like. These notes sell to other investors at a substantial discount. They can be sold, but this is not like buying a Treasury Bond. Like all real estate, Investor beware. The article would be more credible if the author would paint a more realistic picture of this business. I have made money doing this and I also have a crappy house in a crappy town that I took back because the note did not perform.
    Krishna Patel
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Excellent point At my age 75 do not need this stress Need stress free income like NNN property.
    Steve Vaughan Rental Property Investor from East Wenatchee, WA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Congrats on having an anchor commercial tenant on a triple net, Krishna. Many of us strive for that. How did you come to acquire a $!M commercial prop as fine as that? Thanks!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Gary, Thanks for chiming in! And you’re absolutely right, I only spoke about the advantages of notes. The goal of the article wasn’t to outline the entire investment (warts and all) but rather to show a more scalable way to cashflow. But, point taken, the disadvantages would make a great topic for my next note article. Also just want to point out that when I create private notes for people I usually know the borrower very well so they have standup credit, not to mention experience and track record with RE. But to be clear, the notes I’m referring to in this article are institutional, so they’re quite the different animal for a variety of reasons. And to play devil’s advocate on the other points you mentioned: Foreclosure definitely can be a long and arduous process (just like a drawn out eviction can be) BUT Foreclosure is also very state specific. So it’s not always a long period of time (like in states such as TX and GA for example) and these longer timelines could also be avoided (or planned for) if you were to buy in certain areas and with certain strategies. And in many states, with vacant properties you can accelerate the FC process dramatically. Also, notes do not always sell or re-sell for a deep discount. I’ve owned many a note that had sold for more than what I paid for it. For example, I’ve had notes become more valuable the longer I held them due to the fact that it now had established a greater pay history. I’ve also had the property backing the note go up in value, which is why sometimes no equity notes can make sense for certain investors in certain markets. But you’re correct, investor’s shouldn’t just jump into the industry only expecting rewards without the chance of risk. I’ve owned some crappy houses myself, fortunately I can say that the more I’ve done the business and the better I’ve gotten at it, the less likely that scenario becomes. Best, Dave
    Krishna Patel
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Excellent point At my age 75 do not need this stress Need stress free income like NNN property.
    Krishna Patel
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Slow n steady, first investment in ,8 units, not good area in 1970. Moved to 12 units, got CVS in ,1031 X, sold got Walgreen in 2010. They were giving you 10 % more in loan than purchase price, simply because loan guarantee by Corporate. But need to put down to get cash flow Did go thru toilets problem, stealing managers etc
    NA Chanpong from San Jose, California
    Replied over 3 years ago
    You were lucky to get into those NNN properties several years ago. Nowadays, almost all NNN properties are way over priced for what you get in return. A lot of times, the price is about double what you should be paying for that property in today’s market. Imagine the surprise you will be if you live long enough to get the property back 15 years from now and have to rent it all over again. NNN property is the biggest scam for today’s seniors and not too many people realized that…
    Krishna Patel
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Not true. It is a corporate Walgreen’s ,25 yrs guarantee. After that property is free n clear. Land worth a million at that time. You are right in price, may be 30% more but rates are dn too.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Kris, I’m with Steve, congrats on the NNN. My article certainly wasn’t written to dissuade others from NNN but for those without that specific option/path or for those who want to make more than 5%, maybe notes can work for them. Also, no toilet problems or stealing managers with notes! Just saying 😉 Thanks for commenting. Best, Dave
    Anton Zietsman from Los Angeles, California
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Dave, what peer-to-peer lending companies would you recommend?
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Anton, Well I can’t personally recommend any at the moment, I was using Lending Club but we’ll have to see what happens in light of recent news: http://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-final-days-of-lendingclub-ceo-renaud-laplanche-1463419379 There are other P2P companies that I’ve heard are worthwhile such as Lending Club’s biggest competitor, Prosper for example. Best, Dave
    Brandon Gentile Real Estate Agent/Investor from Clarkston, Michigan
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Great article to get people thinking Dave! These always get my mind going.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Thanks Brandon!
    Rodney Walker Wholesaler from Jacksonville, Florida
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, I’m sure you probably hear this a lot about your articles but really…Great stuff! Just a quick note on where to get your ebook on note buying. I have a nephew that is just getting into real estate investing and bought his first rental. He is starting to see some of the “cons” of owning property with tenants. I’m trying to bring him from the “dark side” of investing and would love to get this ebook in front of him. And I’m not going to lie, I’m also interested in reading it after recently reading a lot of your posts and listening to your conference call this week. Thanks in advance
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Rodney, Thanks for the positive feedback! I’d be happy to give you the link to a free copy of the eBook (I’ll send it in a private message). All the Best, Dave
    Ashton Morlote from Washington, District of Columbia
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, interesting topic here. I have no prior knowledge on this. Would books/articles do you recommend to get further information on notes?
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Ashton, I’m glad to hear you’re interested in notes. There are several books on the general concept of investing in notes, such as Jim Napier’s “Invest in Debt,” and George Antone’s “Banker’s Code.” I’ve written past articles on notes as well. Also, I do have some additional free resources I can offer, including a free copy of our Introduction to Note Investing eBook. If you’re interested, just shoot me a private message, and I’ll send you the links. Hope it helps! Dave
    Nancy Dumon from Dublin, California
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, I discovered ‘Notes’ investing in one of the BiggerPockets podcasts. It seems rewarding but I am not clear on the risks. Can you recommend best resources, books, and articles to learn how to get started? Thanks!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Nancy, I’d be glad to send you some free resources in a private message, including a copy of our Introduction to Note Investing eBook. Some other books on Note Investing include those I mentioned above to Ashton. Are you interested in investing in notes in a more passive way (performing notes) or more active way (non-performing notes)?
    Bruce Coleman Rental Property Investor from Acworth, GA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Thank you Dave for taking the time to write this article. You have sparked my interest in learning more about notes investing. Is there a book on notes investing equivalent to “Rich Dad Poor Dad”? Thanks again, Bruce
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Bruce, There are a few books on the overall concept of investing in notes, such as Jim Napier’s Invest in Debt, and George Antone’s Banker’s Code. I’ve also recently written an eBook as an Introduction to Note Investing. If you’re interested, just shoot me a private message, and I’ll give you a link to a free copy. Hope it helps! Dave
    Chris Welch Rental Property Investor from Ocala, FL
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Great article Dave, I have a few sfh rentals and have thought about note investing, especially now the market has gotten tighter in my area. Would love to get a copy of your eBook?
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Chris! I’ll Private Message you with a link. Best, Dave
    Nicole Rivers from East Orange, New Jersey
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, Great article. I’m new to investing and learning about the different avenues available to invest and get great returns. I have been trying to get my sister to think about REI in a new way as her health no longer allows her to do the physical work and stress of flipping. I would love to pass on some resources and maybe a copy of your ebook to get her thinking about notes as a method of investing that could work for her. Also, I’d love to read a few books on the topic myself 😉 Thanks in advance!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Nicole! I made some suggestions in the comments above and I’ll Private Message you with a copy of the E-book. Best, Dave
    Jennifer King from Bellevue, Washington
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi, Dave! I like to imagine myself owning a small rental empire one day, but my more cautious husband would love for me to set my sights on a more tenant-free REI goal. Would you mind sending me the link to your e-book on investing in notes? And since you went the whole real estate agent route before getting into notes, I wonder if you could comment on whether you’ve found that training useful despite later shifting your focus to notes? (I am considering taking the courses required to become a real estate broker in WA, though I truly have no intention to work as a broker. I just imagine the information will be broadly applicable to my future REI. Would love to hear if you have any opinion on that.) Thank you!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Jennifer! And I actually talk about the benefits of becoming a Real Estate Agent has on being an investor in a previous article: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2015/08/27/advantages-investor-real-estate-license/ Thanks for reading. Best, DAve
    Daria B. Rental Property Investor from Gainesville, FL
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, I found this article today in some back issues I’m catching up with. Hopefully you will get this and I can find out some things to close the gap in my learning about notes. I too am looking for resources, I purchased other RE books regarding purchase of RE, for note buying. I recently joined a local group but they are further along in the note purchasing arena than I am and I am trying to catch up. Can you recommend any resources for a beginner? Thanks Daria L. Bullock
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Daria! I actually recently completed an Introduction to Note Investing E-book that I think you’ll find helpful. I’ll private message you a copy. Best, Dave
    Dan Currotto Real Estate Investor from Clearwater, Florida
    Replied over 3 years ago
    It’s a great article. It reminds me how flexible real estate is and that there are a lot of ways to play the game.
    Clark Davis from Montgomery, Alabama
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, Great article. I’m new to REI and this sounds like it could be an interesting option for me. Could I get your ebook?
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Sure thing Clark, I’ll be sure to PM you a copy. Best, Dave
    Joshua Smith
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave I’m new to REI and would like to know more about note investing.  What are the basics of finding and evaluating good note deals?  What are some typical methods of funding a note purchase? I would like to read your ebook Introduction to Note Investing. Best Regards Joshua Smith
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Joshua, The E-book should be able to answer your questions and point you in the right direction. I’ll PM you a copy. Best, Dave
    Helen Kirk Rental Property Investor from Auburn, AL
    Replied over 3 years ago
    Hi Dave, I liked your article. I have virtually no exposure to investing in notes, but after reading your article, I am looking forward to learning more about them. I own a few rentals, and am considering purchasing a foreclosure to learn to flip properties. I had to rehab my first rental, and really enjoyed the process. haven’t had any problems yet with tenants, but I know that will come in time. Not sure that I want to have a lot of rentals at this point. I would really like to read your ebook on Introduction to Note Investing. Could I get a copy from you?
    Michael Dworman Real Estate Investor from Newton, Massachusetts
    Replied about 2 years ago
    I don’t think it is correct that the interest income from the notes are passive . It is interest income just like earning interest from a bank account. I don’t think you can offset interest income from notes against your real estate losses.
    Karl B. Rental Property Investor from Los Angeles, CA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Notes have always interested me but I admit I’ve put off on learning about them. That should change. Please tell me your three favorite note-related books. I would appreciate it!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Karl, Unfortunately there aren’t that many! “Invest in Debt” by Jimmy Napier is a good baseline for understanding the concepts of debt and for years was the only book on notes around. I’ve also heard many investors on the site speak highly of “Paper Profits” by Joshua Andrews, a fellow BP member. But other than that, there isn’t much to my knowledge. This is precisely why I decided to write one. So as sort of an expansion of my Intro to Notes E-book (as well as featuring a slew of other note concepts), with the help of BiggerPockets Publishing I will be releasing a book on note investing this Spring. So stay tuned for more news about that as we get closer to April! Best, Dave
    Karl B. Rental Property Investor from Los Angeles, CA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Great news! Thank you. I will be reading those books and your book once it’s released. Thank you for the response; I appreciate it.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Thanks Karl! And sure thing. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions at all. Best, Dave
    Sunny
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, I really love your articles. I am a PML and I work with a mutual friend (out of Trenton, NJ) for most of my deals. However, I’m having trouble utilizing all of the capital available to me in a manner that feels… safe? I don’t want to have all my money with one person…Nor do I really want to go out to find people to lend money to.. Also, I have zero intention of owning my own properties. I have enough fires to put out on a daily basis with my business. What do you recommend for someone in my position? Also, would love a copy of the e-book you’re PM’ing people.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Sunny, Thanks for reading. Will definitely be sending you over a copy of the E-book asap. As for your other question….Your situation is a common one. And when I’m asked this question the trouble with developing an answer is there are quite a few variables that I’m unaware of. So what i don’t know is: – are you maximizing your qualified plans? – how are you managing the current debt you have, if you any? – have you done anything to limit your taxation? After that, there’s still really no one size fits all answer but it’s a reminder to “get your house in order” so to speak before diving into an investment. As for the investment itself when you get to that point, it’s really about how much risk you want to take on vs. how much yield you want to make? It sounds like you’re like me and want to stick to more passive vehicles at the moment so maybe an apartment fund or a note fund would better for you than something more active. I’d also suggest looking into things like the 506 Investor Group (who are a group of passive accredited investors who share and discuss due diligence on crowdfunding & syndicated real estate investments online). I’d also give Dr. Kenyon Meadows BiggerPockets podcast episode a listen. He’s also a busy guy who invests passively in a multitude of things: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/bp-podcast-219-private-lending-turnkey-investing-crowdfunding-real-estate-dr-kenyon-meadows/ Hope this info can be of help. Best, Dave
    Adam Hopkins Investor from San Jose, California
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Dave, Can you explain this a little more clearly? “It even has what I call “phantom appreciation.” This isn’t appreciation in the true sense of the word like in real estate, but if you own a partial equity note and more equity comes back in the marketplace, suddenly your note has become more valuable.” Why does more equity coming back into the marketplace make your note more valuable? Thanks!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Adam, Good question! I actually wrote another article on this very topic, which you can find here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/phantom-appreciation/ If you have any other questions or need more clarification, feel free to PM. Best, Dave
    Angela Liu from Washington DC
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, I’m a bit late on this post. Wondering where I could get that copy that others have requested. Thanks
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    No worries, Angela! Will PM you a copy now. Best, Dave
    Angela Ly
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, I’m a bit late on this post. Wondering where I could get that copy that others have requested. Thanks
    Michael Reiss
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Dave, thanks for an interesting article! I’d love a link to the copy of the e-book you’re emailing too. Thanks!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Sure thing! Will PM you now. Best, Dave
    Pyrrha Rivers Investor from Yokosuka, Japan
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Dave, Thank you for yet another excellent article. I followed the link you provided and requested your ebook. I do want have a question about the HELOCS you had on all of your investment properties. I have one that I love but was under the impression that you can only get a HELOC on your personal residence. Can you please tell me who provides HELOCs for rentals? Best, Pyrrha
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Pyrrha, Thanks for reading, appreciate the kind words. And the answer to your question, is really to just shop around. I have HELOCs on my rentals, the most recent of which I found through Wells Fargo. But everyone’s situation is different. They used to be much easier to get, then when equity fell after the ’08 crash they were tougher to get. But now that equity is coming back they’re becoming more prevalent again. Might want to try credit unions as well as banks. Best, Dave
    Pyrrha Rivers Investor from Yokosuka, Japan
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Thanks to reading your article, I went looking and yes, I found out that Wells Fargo offers HELOCs on investment properties. I asked twice before but this time I was speaking to someone in the actual HELOC department, got the correct answer and placed an application. Thanks!
    David Noll from Panama City, Florida
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    “Yeah, but…” Although the title says this is a way to invest in real estate, you really don’t get any of the benefits of real estate with this investment. There’s no leverage, no appreciation in value, and no depreciation. The principal value that is being corroded by inflation belongs to you, instead of the bank. I’m not knocking notes, and they may be a good diversification strategy, but they’re not really real estate. (At least, until they default, and you have to seize the property.) Thanks for the article!
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi David, This is going to be one of those comments where I’ll have to agree to disagree! 😉 1.) You can leverage a note using a collateral assignments of note and mortgage (which i talk about in a variety of articles I’ve written, like this one: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/how-to-recapitalize-on-your-real-estate-notes-without-a-buyers-list/ ) 2.) There’s not appreciation in the traditional sense of the word BUT there is phantom appreciation (https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/phantom-appreciation/) 3.) True! But there’s no depreciation recapture tax either! Or maintenance, townships, tenants, or contractors that comes with owning hard property 😉 Plus when you start to buy notes in any sort of volume, you’ll quickly start find yourself acquiring hard real estate whether its your intention or not. This is why we have an REO department at my company. Best, Dave
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi David, This is going to be one of those comments where I’ll have to agree to disagree! 😉 1.) You can leverage a note using a collateral assignments of note and mortgage (which i talk about in a variety of articles I’ve written, like this one: https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/how-to-recapitalize-on-your-real-estate-notes-without-a-buyers-list/ ) 2.) There’s not appreciation in the traditional sense of the word BUT there is phantom appreciation (https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/phantom-appreciation/) 3.) True! But there’s no depreciation recapture tax either! Or maintenance, townships, tenants, or contractors that comes with owning hard property 😉 Plus when you start to buy notes in any sort of volume, you’ll quickly start find yourself acquiring hard real estate whether its your intention or not. This is why we have an REO department at my company. Best, Dave
    Marvin Lusky New to Real Estate from Aventura, FL
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, Like many here who have commented on your article, I’m intrigued by this type of investment and would love to learn more. As I approach “retirement” I’m looking for more passive income streams and this seems like a great option. Any suggestions about where to get additional info is appreciated. Regards, Marvin
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Sure thing, Marvin. I’ll PM you a copy of my E-book along with some other resources. Best, Dave
    Antony Bhavuk from Floral Park, New York
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Hi Dave, Please send me a copy of your ebook.
    Steven Johnson Flipper/Rehabber from Williston, ND
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    You just blew my mind! Great article!
    John Adams Investor from Atlanta, Georgia
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, I would appreciate a copy of your e-book (and any other suggested resources). Thanks in advance! John
    Jiri Vetyska Investor from Normandy Park, Washington
    Replied almost 2 years ago
    Dave, Would you mind to clarify somewhat? There is tons of regulation and tons of paperwork, and you kind of said you need a servicer (as that would be a lot to take to handle the servicing of the loan). Then you also say you personally handle non-performing loans and deal with the homeowners – but you probably cannot do this a private person, but rather as a business entity, is that correct? Or is that normal that people get letters from some guy asking to pay off the loan?
    Nathan G. Real Estate Broker from Cody, WY
    Replied about 1 year ago
    It seems note investing would be the ideal path for anyone looking for true “passive” income. My ultimate goal is to generate the maximum revenue with the minimum amount of day-to-day involvement, freeing me up to pursue my true passions. I’ll have to dig deeper into this.
    Dave Van Horn Fund Manager from Berwyn, PA
    Replied about 1 year ago
    Feel free to reach out if you have any questions Nathan!