{"id":108754,"date":"2019-03-29T14:30:49","date_gmt":"2019-03-29T20:30:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/?p=108754"},"modified":"2021-03-16T14:52:56","modified_gmt":"2021-03-16T20:52:56","slug":"out-of-state-investing-local-lenders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/out-of-state-investing-local-lenders","title":{"rendered":"Out-of-State Investing: Which Lenders Are Best?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When investing out of state, the type of lender that&#8217;s best really depends on the type of loan product you need. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There are certainly nationwide lenders in both the commercial and residential space, but what you\u2019re trying to accomplish matters most in terms of what type of bank you approach. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/companies\/hard-money\" target=\"_blank\">Nationwide hard money lenders<\/a> are popular right now for fix-and-flip loans. Asset-based lenders and buy and hold loans seemingly go hand in hand right now, too. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For either of those two strategies, location is largely irrelevant. And here&#8217;s another example when the lender&#8217;s location doesn&#8217;t matter much: commercial loans for large assets. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What&#8217;s great about both hard money and asset-based lenders is that many of them don\u2019t care about buyer qualifications either (credit score, income, etc.). These lenders can issue loan products in this manner because they generally come with high costs in both interest and points to counterbalance the usual <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/due-diligence-ultimate-guide\/\" target=\"_blank\">due diligence on both property and borrower<\/a>. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, in cases where you need a lender quickly and\/or won\u2019t pass standard underwriting, a nationwide hard money lender works perfectly fine. The rest of the time, for most borrowers, you&#8217;re going to want to do business with a bank that is in the same area as the property. Here&#8217;s why.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related: <\/strong><\/em><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/investing-elsewhere-rental-property\" target=\"_blank\">4 Must-Haves When Investing in Out-of-State Rental Deals<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Looking for a Subject Matter Expert?<\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Residential mortgage lenders are certified by state. So if you\u2019re looking for a one- to four-unit property out of state, it\u2019s quite likely that you\u2019ll be forced to get a lender in that state anyway. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Many commercial lenders are going to operate exactly the same way. It&#8217;s not necessarily because of certification, but rather they prefer to lend in markets they know. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When lending, banks are investing money into you and your deal. Therefore, they want to make sure that you and the deal are going to make money. They are going to want to do extensive due diligence for the same reason you\u2019re going to: you both want to <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">know <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">the deal is going to be profitable\u2014without having to take a stranger&#8217;s word for it<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Trust is not part of the 5 Cs of credit\u2014those being character, capacity, capital, conditions, and collateral. And it&#8217;s wise to expect a bank to ensure your deal is just as lucrative for them as it is for you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-108631\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/hard-money-loan.jpg\" alt=\"business colleagues meeting in boardroom going over paperwork\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/hard-money-loan.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/hard-money-loan-300x144.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In fact, in most instances, the bank is going to be the majority stakeholder (50%+ LTV) \u00a0in your asset, and they don\u2019t want to lose money. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">With that in mind, think about how much more difficult it is for you to buy an asset out of state. Now, I\u2019m a heavy advocate of buying out of state, but I know my market and I have a solid team on the ground. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you\u2019re in California and you want to buy a property in Mississippi, my hope is that before you sign paperwork, you have spoken to a property manager, a contractor, a realtor, and fellow investors to help you make a good decision. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Why would I suggest this? It&#8217;s very simple. You don\u2019t (you can&#8217;t!) know the market if you\u2019ve never lived there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Possessing a deep understanding of the market you\u2019re buying in reduces risk, regardless if the deal numbers make sense. \u201cLocation, location, location\u201d isn&#8217;t the first rule of real estate for nothin&#8217;. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So, if the bank you\u2019re trying to borrow from is also in California and they don\u2019t have any people on the ground in Mississippi where the asset is located, how could they possibly do an appropriate amount of due diligence?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related: <\/strong><\/em><em><a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2014\/12\/23\/investing-out-of-state-essential-items-to-vet\/\" target=\"_blank\">Buyer Beware: 3 Essential Items to Vet BEFORE Investing Out-of-State<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<h2>The Lender Becomes a Partner<\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This might be the biggest discrepancy I see between the borrowing side and the lending side. When I see borrowers talk about loans, they tend to only see the terms of the product and the requirements to be filled.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They look at it like a checklist:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is it a good <a href=\"https:\/\/www.investopedia.com\/terms\/l\/loantovalue.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">LTV<\/a>? <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2014\/11\/04\/dscr-the-important-metric-you-should-use-to-gauge-investments\/\" target=\"_blank\">DSCR<\/a> do I need? <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">H<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ow much down? <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What are the terms? <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">People treat getting a loan like buying a sandwich off a menu, but lenders are more complicated than that. We want to know who you are, what\u2019s your track record, what you\u2019re trying to accomplish, and how you\u2019re going to succeed. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What you borrow also depends on the size of the institute. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For instance, if you ask Wells Fargo for $100K, they want to get that tiny deal done as fast and as easily as possible. It\u2019s just too small for them to really care!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> The smaller the bank, the more scarce their resources, and the more vested interest they will have in the deal\u2014and in you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-85068\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/invest-student-loans.jpg\" alt=\"invest-student-loans\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/invest-student-loans.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/invest-student-loans-300x144.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This makes them closer and closer to a partner rather than just a product dispensary. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A bank or broker that&#8217;s in the vicinity of the asset knows the market well already (hopefully). They will know which deals make money and which ones don\u2019t. And they have all sorts of other metrics to help decide where they want to efficiently deploy capital, too. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You may be at home thinking, \u201cI want to buy a fourplex in Nashville.\u201d You go find one and run the numbers, and they seem great. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You get an asset-based lender to put up the cash, you pay their astronomical fees, and you get a property manager or contractor to handle the project. The problem here is that you have created a project with <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">asymmetric incentives<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> among everyone involved.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The lender gets their points up front, and they have a first position on deed of trust. They don\u2019t want you to fail, but they won\u2019t really care if you do. They already made their profit! <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The property manager\/contractor will make money for the work regardless. Of course they want you to close, but they have no vested interest in the long-term success of the deal. They&#8217;re getting paid even if you aren&#8217;t.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Only when you get a lender local to the asset will you have a second party who has actual <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">skin in the game <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>with<\/em> you. When working to secure funding, a local lender won\u2019t let you buy a property that you can\u2019t make money on\u2014or even one with low margins where they&#8217;d live in fear of default. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They need to make their money after you\u2019ve made yours. That\u2019s a good partner, one with aligned goals. <\/span><\/p>\n<h2>Consider the Long-Term Prospects<\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Are you going to stick around this area for a while or is this a one-off purchase? If it\u2019s a single deal (especially a flip), then the lender location may not matter as much. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But the more business you plan to do in an area and the bigger the assets, the more impactful having a property-local lender becomes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you grow a portfolio out of state and develop a relationship with this lender, they may even refer you to the occasional deal, as well as potential partners. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Visit the area\u2014show that loan broker that you\u2019re dead serious about your intent to close on multiple deals\u2014and they will be much more likely to introduce you to their circle of influence. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you\u2019re ambitious enough to make some serious moves, consider how much of an impact something like this will have on a small lender. It just might be monumental in creating a long-term, mutually beneficial lender relationship. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To reiterate, I&#8217;m not saying you can&#8217;t foster this relationship with your preferred in-state lender for out-of-state purchases. However, it\u2019s significantly harder for banks to issue money on deals in areas where they aren&#8217;t familiar. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is it worth it to you to constantly fight that battle? Probably not. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Find a lender local to the area where you want to do business, and focus on long-term mutual growth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-91220\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/blog_ads-02.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"85\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/blog_ads-02.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/blog_ads-02-300x36.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Am I right, or am I right?\u00a0<\/em><em>I welcome your opinion, even if you think I&#8217;m wrong.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Comment below!<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When investing out of state, the type of lender that&#8217;s best really depends on the type of loan product you need. There are certainly nationwide lenders in both the commercial and residential space, but what you\u2019re trying to accomplish matters most in terms of what type of bank you approach.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":14645,"featured_media":76010,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[5524],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-108754","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-real-estate-investing-for-beginners"],"acf":[],"comment_count":0,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/108754","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/14645"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=108754"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/108754\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/76010"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=108754"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=108754"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=108754"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}