{"id":59569,"date":"2014-07-07T04:00:28","date_gmt":"2014-07-07T10:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/renewsblog\/?p=59569"},"modified":"2021-03-16T10:21:28","modified_gmt":"2021-03-16T16:21:28","slug":"2014-07-07-shocking-truth-getting-money-first-house-flip","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014-07-07-shocking-truth-getting-money-first-house-flip","title":{"rendered":"The SHOCKING Truth About Getting Money For Your First House Flip"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Last week, I talked all about <a title=\"8 Things The Real Estate Experts Won\u2019t Tell You About Hard Money\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014\/06\/29\/8-things-real-estate-experts-wont-tell-hard-money\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the many benefits of using hard money<\/a> to fund your first flip.<\/p>\n<p>Although there&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/users\/annbellamy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">lots of people who are &#8220;in the know&#8221;<\/a> and completely understand hard money, there are far too many who still think the opposite.<\/p>\n<p>Let me tell you <strong>why<\/strong> this is so wrong&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>The &#8220;Big Question&#8221; and How Hard Money Can Solve It<\/h2>\n<p>As many of you know, I have a house flip business which I spend 95% of my time with &#8211; but\u00a0I also have a blog on house flipping to help new investors.<\/p>\n<p>For every new person who subscribes to my blog, I email them a question like this a few weeks after they subscribe:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Are you still interested in flipping houses?<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>After they say &#8220;yes&#8221;, &#8220;no&#8221; or tell me what&#8217;s their situation is, I then email\u00a0them back usually asking this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What&#8217;s holding you back from getting started?&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here&#8217;s why understanding hard money is SO important&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>These are just a few answers <em>(not edited at all, by the way)<\/em>\u00a0from the last two days back to me on email:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;Yes I am Mike, \u00a0just don&#8217;t have extra cash or credit right now&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;Money a good mentor\u00a0 and a business partner.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;Just hard to believe you can do re without money.&#8221;\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;Mike &#8211; Time and money.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;I am interested, but at this point I don&#8217;t have the cash flow to do it at this time&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #222222;\">&#8220;Lack of funding or knowing where to get\u00a0 it.&#8221;<\/span><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What&#8217;s the one common element in all those answers?<\/p>\n<p>You guessed it: <strong>Money<\/strong>. It&#8217;s the great stumbling block for nearly every new house flipper.<\/p>\n<p>So how do you get &#8220;money&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>How you get it has a lot to do with the numbers and the how then comes from those numbers. Let me explain&#8230;.<\/p>\n<h2>The 70% Rule and The Elephant In the Room<\/h2>\n<p>By now you probably know about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=JpfnAMRj-2Y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the 70% Rule<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As has been discussed in this space many times, its\u00a0<a title=\"The 70% Rule: One Critical Formula Investors Need to Know\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014\/02\/14\/70-rule-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the fundamental rule<\/a> in house flipping.<\/p>\n<p>So because it&#8217;s so important, lets review some of the details a little further.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a title=\"10 Rules for Investing in Real Estate Without Looking Like an Idiot\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014\/06\/07\/rules-investing-real-estate-idiot\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> 10 Rules for Investing in Real Estate Without Looking Like an Idiot<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<h3>The 70% Rule Fundamentals<\/h3>\n<p style=\"color: #111111;\">So for example, you\u2019ve determined with your broker that the ARV\u00a0of a certain house is $200,000. There are plenty of comps in the area and you feel comfortable with that number.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #111111;\">So to get to the 70% Rule, you do the following:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">1. Take\u00a0the $200,000 and multiply it by 70%, which equals $140,000:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">ARV:\u00a0$200,000<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">70% Rule: $200,000 x .70 = $140,000<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">2. To get the maximum amount you should pay for the house, you then deduct\u00a0your renovation\u00a0costs from that $140,000. In this case,\u00a0let&#8217;s say your rehab expenses will be $40,000:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Subtract the $40,000 from the $140,000:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Repair costs: $40,000<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">70% Rule: $140,000<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO): $100,000<\/p>\n<p>In this example, you&#8217;d make an offer below $100,000, then most likely negotiate up if you need more wiggle room. When all your costs come in as expected, you will make a nice profit on this flip no doubt.<\/p>\n<h3>The 70% Rule Profit Breakdown Using Hard Money<\/h3>\n<p>Typically when we apply the 70% rule, it breaks down like this:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>20%<\/strong> is projected profit of the ARV<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>10%<\/strong>\u00a0is your projected soft costs of the ARV <em>(this is your <strong>money<\/strong> cost here!)<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This is the quick math you use when you &#8220;eyeball&#8221; a property when using private money or <a title=\"Flipping Houses With No Money: 3 ACTUAL Case Studies\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2013\/11\/24\/flipping-houses-with-no-money-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">other financing sources for your flip<\/a>. However you MUST know your expenses to determine\u00a0how\u00a0the 10% applies to your situation!<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014\/06\/29\/8-things-real-estate-experts-wont-tell-hard-money\/\" target=\"_blank\">using hard money<\/a> and you&#8217;re paying 12-15% and 3 or more points on your hard money loan.<\/p>\n<p>If that&#8217;s the case, then your projected soft costs will be higher than the 10%!<\/p>\n<p>What this means is your projected 20% profit of ARV will then have to come down. It may be more like 15% profit or even less.<\/p>\n<p>If this is the case, you may not hit <a title=\"A Home Run House Flip: Details, Numbers, &amp; How You Can Do It Too\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2012\/11\/17\/house-flip-success-profits\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a total home run <\/a>on your first flip&#8230;but you will make money and a nice profit even if its <a title=\"Epic FAIL House Flip and The Lessons I Learned\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2012\/12\/22\/epic-fail-house-flip-lessons-learned\/\" target=\"_blank\">an epic fail<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>This lower level of profit may be fine for you or you may need to buy at a lower price. The point is to <a title=\"Do You Need to Be Smarter Than A 5th Grader to Flip Houses?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2012\/11\/03\/flip-houses-formula-math\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">know what your numbers will be<\/a> as best as you can project.<\/p>\n<h2>Money Secrets Example<\/h2>\n<p>In our example above, you are\u00a0working on a deal with an ARV of $200,000 \u00a0using hard money and the \u00a070% Rule, you might be making $25-35,000 as opposed to $40,000.<\/p>\n<p><em>Would you like to make $25,000 profit on a house flip?<\/em> I sure would.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s say the house doesn&#8217;t sell for another three months and you make $15-17,000 instead? Would you STILL do this deal?<\/p>\n<p><em>Hell yeah.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a title=\"Why I Pay More for Fix and Flips than the 70% Rule States I Should\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2013\/12\/08\/70-percent-rule\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Why I Pay More for Fix and Flips than the 70% Rule States I Should<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>The point is that without the hard money loan, you never would have made that &#8220;worst case&#8221; profit of $15,000. AND better yet&#8230;you now have you first flip under your belt. You can now leverage this to private investors to get even better terms and then make even more on deal number two.<\/p>\n<p><em>Make sense?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The idea here is really knowing the numbers when you go into the deal and understanding how they affect the 70% formula.<\/p>\n<p>And if you use hard money&#8230;<em>you need to know these numbers!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If you have the ability to buy the property for less money &#8211; less than the MAO even, do your best to\u00a0get it as low as you can to add to your profits! At the same time, you don\u2019t want to go so low that you lose the deal&#8230;so keep that in mind as well.<\/p>\n<h2>Hard Money IS Workable&#8230;<em>But You Have to Know The Numbers<\/em><\/h2>\n<p>I hear people say all the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cOh I would never pay hard money rates.\u00a0 That\u2019s crazy, that\u2019s ridiculous.\u201d\u00a0 <\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There\u2019s nothing wrong with hard money if it helps you make money&#8230;maybe not as much as would with private money or a loan from a bank &#8211; <strong><em>but you will make money.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>For those who <em>poo poo<\/em> hard money, you may want to ask those people:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cIn the last month, how many deals have you done?\u201d\u00a0 <\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If they answer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cWell, none right now\u201d <\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8230;then you have your answer.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"7 Real Estate Investing Lessons We Can Learn From Tony Robbins\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2013\/09\/15\/7-real-estate-investing-lessons-tony-robbins\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Action is better than no action<\/a> and using hard money allows you to <strong><em>take that action.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t worry Donald Trump&#8230;<em>you&#8217;ll make your millions on the deals <strong>after\u00a0<\/strong>that\u00a0first one<\/em>. The point is that you need to get started&#8230;and <a title=\"8 Things The Real Estate Experts Won\u2019t Tell You About Hard Money\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2014\/06\/29\/8-things-real-estate-experts-wont-tell-hard-money\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hard money allows you to do just that<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Set your profit expectations slightly lower and <strong><em>get in the game with hard money!<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Just make sure you use <a title=\"WARNING: Break These House Flipping Rules at Your Own Risk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2013\/04\/07\/break-these-house-flipping-rules\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the formulas enclosed here<\/a> to protect your downside.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>If you&#8217;ve made it this far, then please leave a comment below!<\/strong><\/em> I&#8217;d love to know what you think about hard money and getting money for your first flip!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last week, I talked all about the many benefits of using hard money to fund your first flip. 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