{"id":73805,"date":"2015-07-08T15:15:57","date_gmt":"2015-07-08T21:15:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/renewsblog\/?p=73805"},"modified":"2021-03-16T11:40:53","modified_gmt":"2021-03-16T17:40:53","slug":"2015-07-08-find-profitable-deals-on-the-mls","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2015-07-08-find-profitable-deals-on-the-mls","title":{"rendered":"The Investor&#8217;s Guide to Finding Profitable Deals on the MLS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When I first started in real estate back in 2005, the common wisdom was there were\u00a0no deals to be found worth buying on the MLS. This was partially because I started in Eugene, Oregon, and the coasts are particularly expensive. Indeed, buy and hold is harder in high-priced cities, and it usually is harder to find any sort of good deals on the MLS in such places. It was also during the middle of a boom, which made it all the more difficult.<\/p>\n<p>However, when I moved to Kansas City just after the crash, the MLS was a gold mine.<\/p>\n<p>Cash flow markets in the Midwest and South present a lot more options than the more expensive markets. Although that doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s impossible in higher-priced\u00a0areas, it just requires more work to sort out the diamonds from the coal.<\/p>\n<p>The first step is to decide whether to become an agent or not. It does take some time and money to become an agent, and there are a few continuing costs and hassles. But being an agent will 1) allow you access to the MLS and 2) save you\u00a0half of the commission on purchases. I would highly recommend either finding a great investment-minded real estate agent or becoming one yourself.<\/p>\n<p>The key with buying investment properties on the\u00a0MLS is speed and volume.\u00a0For this reason, you must either have access to the MLS or work closely with an agent. If you do not have access, your agent should set you up to automatically be sent all the new listings in your target market as they are listed.<\/p>\n<p>One important note for\u00a0wholesalers and flippers planning on selling\u00a0without doing a rehab: You need to be\u00a0aware of any deed restrictions or earnest money problems that may exist. For example, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac require 10 percent down for cash purchases. This puts you at a lot of risk because you are not going to get your earnest money back if you back out after the inspection period.\u00a0Furthermore, Fannie and Freddie\u00a0also have a deed restriction that\u00a0means you can only sell or finance a property\u00a0for 20 percent more than you bought it for during\u00a0the first 90 days.<\/p>\n<h2><b>Speed<\/b><\/h2>\n<p>The early bird gets the worm &#8212; and the early bidder gets the property. It is not uncommon for properties to be mis-listed, sometimes ridiculously\u00a0mis-listed. This is especially true for REOs from\u00a0HUD, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and occasionally\u00a0some of the big banks.<\/p>\n<p>HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac unfortunately have investor restrictions and only allow owner occupants to offer for the first 20 to 30 days. Still, you want to make offers on any mis-listed property as soon as it comes on or is available to investors. I recently heard a podcast where the person being interviewed said the last three great deals he had bought were on the MLS and came up near the end of the day on Friday. Everyone else apparently thought they would just look at the property on Monday, but he made sure to get the offer in that day.<\/p>\n<p>Regardless of how quick you are, unfortunately these properties will often get multiple offers and go \u201chighest and best.\u201d It&#8217;s just part of the business, so be prepared to deal with it.<\/p>\n<h2>Highest and Best<\/h2>\n<p>One time, we went $24,000 over asking and got a property that had\u00a0at least $40,000 of equity in it. Another time, we went $33,000 over asking on a duplex and missed it. It was listed for $32,000, we offered $65,000 and it sold\u00a0for $93,000!\u00a0And you know what? It was still a great deal at $93,000. That&#8217;s how badly some properties are mis-listed.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2014\/04\/20\/five-tips-get-great-deals-mls-including-buying-houses-friday\/\" target=\"_blank\">Five Tips to Get Great Deals On the MLS (Including Buying Houses on Friday\u2026?)<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>On a quick aside, the &#8220;highest and best&#8221;\u00a0does\u00a0serve as a reminder of why it\u2019s better to find a deal off-market than on the MLS or even through a wholesaler. Had that deal come directly from a distressed seller and I was the\u00a0only one around, I could have gotten it for $32,000 and had\u00a0$100,000 or so in equity from day one. That being said, the MLS is a numbers game,\u00a0so dealing with highest and best situations is something to get used\u00a0to.\u00a0It\u2019s just part of the life of a real estate investor, so it\u2019s best to make peace with them and simply figure out how to deal with them.<\/p>\n<p>The first step is to simply know where you\u2019re at, financially speaking, and what your appetite is. Do you have a lot of money or private\u00a0lender\u00a0funds to place? If so, it would be good to be a bit more aggressive. But if you\u2019re a little tight right now or don\u2019t have a private lender lined up or\u00a0perhaps\u00a0you are a\u00a0flipper who is in the middle of a\u00a0project\u00a0and\u00a0not hugely keen on starting another one, don\u2019t push on the deal.<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, just because a property\u00a0has gone highest and best doesn\u2019t mean the other offer is strong. Sometimes it\u2019s an offer that had been made on the property a long time ago that amounts to little more than a low ball. The seller uses that as leverage to get you to raise your price. And sometimes, even if you\u2019re the highest, they will counter you again because they don\u2019t think you\u2019ve gone high enough.<\/p>\n<p>Other than that, the key thing to ask is, \u201cAt what price will this be a really good deal?\u201d When you first analyze a property, you should come up with a strike price that is\u00a0the highest you will possibly go under any circumstance. Remember that &#8220;highest and best&#8221; situations can be a bit like auctions, where you get caught up with &#8220;winning.&#8221; But you only win if you get a good deal, so make sure to stick with your strike price no matter what.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, when and if a property goes highest and best, you can just come in at your strike price (or perhaps less if your appetite has shrunk). You will usually lose out, but not always.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Volume<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>On the MLS, it\u2019s all about volume. Back in 2012, we made 341 offers and bought 32 properties. And I looked at many more properties that were in such bad shape or so overpriced I didn&#8217;t even bother offering. It&#8217;s a numbers game, folks.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2013\/11\/14\/mls-goldmine-real-estate-investors\/\" target=\"_blank\">Why The MLS Is A Goldmine For Real Estate Investors<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>What I do is go on \u201cproperty tours\u201d and look at something like 15 properties in my target areas. These areas I know well, so I\u00a0can quickly\u00a0estimate the repairs and ARV and then aim to be all in at about 75\u00a0percent of the\u00a0ARV and have a rent\/cost ratio of about 1.5\u00a0percent\u00a0or so depending on the area. Based off of these criteria, I set an offer price and a strike price. Then we make all the offers and see where the chips fall.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes you don\u2019t get anything. Sometimes you get more than you want and have to drop a few. It\u2019s a bit messy, but it certainly can be done. We just had two properties we bought off the MLS appraised for refinances; one we\u2019re all into for $53,000, the other for $56,000. They appraised for $75,000 and $85,000 respectively. So don\u2019t let anyone tell you that you can\u2019t find great deals on the MLS. You just\u00a0have to be fast, careful and make a lot of offers.<\/p>\n<p><em>Investors: How do YOU find great deals on the MLS? What tips would you add to those listed above?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Be sure to leave a comment below!<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I first started in real estate back in 2005, the common wisdom was there were\u00a0no deals to be found worth buying on the MLS. This was partially because I [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1689,"featured_media":90153,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[5524],"tags":[5373,1496,1497,3737,576,81,2764,58,1034,5372],"class_list":["post-73805","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-real-estate-investing-for-beginners","tag-deed-restrictions","tag-fannie-mae","tag-freddie-mac","tag-highest-and-best","tag-hud","tag-mls","tag-offers","tag-real-estate","tag-real-estate-agents","tag-volume"],"acf":[],"comment_count":0,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73805","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1689"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=73805"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/73805\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/90153"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=73805"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=73805"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=73805"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}