{"id":76998,"date":"2016-02-20T11:00:36","date_gmt":"2016-02-20T18:00:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/renewsblog\/?p=76998"},"modified":"2024-01-27T10:02:31","modified_gmt":"2024-01-27T17:02:31","slug":"2016-02-20-dirty-secrets-truth-property-management","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/2016-02-20-dirty-secrets-truth-property-management","title":{"rendered":"The Dirty Truth About Property Management Only Experience Will Teach You"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Oh, property management &#8212; such a love\/hate concept. On one hand, I absolutely love you because you are the reason I don\u2019t have to spend any time (or brain power) on my real estate investments. On the other hand, you really test my sanity sometimes!<\/p>\n<p>If you have invested outside of your local area or you live close to your investments but prefer someone with more expertise or interest takes care of your properties, you are probably pretty familiar with the concept of property management. Even more, you probably have stories to tell!<\/p>\n<p>For any of you newbies out there who might not be familiar\u00a0with property management, it actually is a great concept. Hiring a property manager (PM) to take care of your rental property investment basically allows you to not have to be the landlord. The PM will find and place tenants in your property, they will collect the rent each month and disburse it to you, they will take repair calls and coordinate getting whatever it is fixed, they will take action against your tenant for non-payment or other issues and handle the eviction process if necessary, and the list goes on. Basically, they do it all.<\/p>\n<p>Sounds great, right? Well, yes, it is great. I have a PM for all of my rental properties, mostly because they aren\u2019t local to me, but also because I have absolutely zero interest in landlording a property or ever dealing with a tenant.<\/p>\n<p>So what\u2019s the downside?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-74530\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/property-management-team.jpg\" alt=\"property-management-team\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/property-management-team.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/property-management-team-300x144.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Property Management Reality<\/h2>\n<p>You knew there had to be a downside coming. And no, the downside is not that they charge you a monthly fee for their services. I think that fee is well worth it and justified, and I\u2019m happy to pay it.<\/p>\n<p>The downside about property management, to me, is that <em>it can be very tough to find a good PM<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Why is it so hard? Well, the reality is that property management is the lowest paid role in just about the entire real estate industry. This is a problem for two reasons: It doesn\u2019t typically attract the highest quality of folks who want to work it (due to the low pay), and it opens up the temptation for PMs to try to find sneaky ways of charging you more money so they can get paid more. The latter can be talked about more in the context of dealing with bad PMs, so let\u2019s focus on the issue of the people who become PMs and how to work with that.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2016\/01\/19\/cant-afford-property-management\/\" target=\"_blank\">Investors: Believe Me, You CAN\u2019T Afford Property Management. Here\u2019s Why.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Good Property Management or Bad Property Management?<\/h2>\n<p>I think I can venture to say that the majority of PMs out there are not that great. A little later, I will expand on some more details about that in terms of how it may or may not affect your investment property, but first I want to give you some basic signs to be aware of to know what kind of manager you are dealing with.<\/p>\n<h3>Phenomenal Property Manager (Also Known as My Dream PM):<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Communicates well<\/strong>. Keeps me posted on anything that may be going on, is easy to get ahold of, is very responsive, is thorough in answering any questions I have, and is pleasant to talk to.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Saves me money<\/strong>. Tries to fix repairs in a way that is good quality but at the most cost-effective price, will show a solid effort towards finding the lowest prices for issues, hires handymen instead of contractors whenever possible, has connections with various companies that offer discounts on repair items (and that savings gets passed on to me), offers me ideas on how I might be able to save money by doing something another way.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Proactive<\/strong>. Stays on top of tenants and the properties rather than waiting until something happens to take action &#8212; dealing with bad tenants, keeping the property in good condition (e.g. making sure gutters aren\u2019t clogged up), planning ahead of time for a tenant turnover.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Inspections<\/strong>. Uses proactive measure to ensure property is in good condition, keeps me, the owner,\u00a0out of the unknown, offers to send pictures of property for verification of condition (note: this doesn\u2019t necessarily mean an insane amount of pictures and such a thorough inspection of the property that it takes the PM forever to do it; it really just is a basic walk-through).<\/li>\n<li><strong>Statements<\/strong>. Are clear and easy to understand.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Verdict?<\/strong> Life is amazing.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-73802\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/property-manager-expectations.jpg\" alt=\"property-manager-expectations\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/property-manager-expectations.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/property-manager-expectations-300x144.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/p>\n<h3>Just OK\u00a0Property Manager:<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Communicates\u00a0&#8212; \u00a0kind of<\/strong>. I can get a hold of him, but not always easily, and he may not always be super clear with what is going on, but he seems to get the job done.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Unsure on the savings\/deals<\/strong>. Is uncertain about whether I\u2019m saving money through him or spending more money. I get occasional charges on my statement that seem legit but could be nickel-and-diming me. Unclear, but not enough to strike obvious concern. Can\u2019t really tell if I\u2019m getting any kind of good deals on repairs, but doesn\u2019t seem that I\u2019m getting bent over either.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Less proactive, but gets it done<\/strong>. Probably more accurately considered \u201creactive,\u201d but action is taken quickly enough that it seems as though minimal consequence is suffered, and situations are being handled in an OK manner.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Inspections<\/strong>. These probably have to be requested by the owner &#8212; they don\u2019t happen proactively. A report may be sent back, but might be semi-unclear and may or may not contain pictures. Often pictures that do come in are irrelevant or blurry &#8212; or may not contain much information.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Statements<\/strong>. Everything seems to be in there, but the formatting makes it almost impossible to understand.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Verdict?<\/strong>\u00a0Things could be better, but the money is coming in.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Horrible Property Manager:<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Non-existent communication<\/strong>. Trying to get a hold of this PM is like trying to catch a running cat. Even when something seems very important &#8212; or is very important &#8212; there is next to no response from the PM. If you do hear from him, it might as well be in another language.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Wipes out your investment!<\/strong> The point of owning a rental property is to earn income, and that\u2019s the farthest thing from what\u2019s happening because of this PM. Placing bad tenants, calling contractors for every repair call, evictions, vacancy periods &#8212; this PM is literally costing you your investment.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Reactive (maybe)<\/strong>. At best, this PM reacts to situations. Assuming he reacts, it\u2019s probably not timely, and it\u2019s certainly not with clear communication. He may not even know there is a problem, and if he does know, he may not even tell you, and timeliness on getting a solution in place is extremely poor.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Inspections<\/strong>. What\u2019s that?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Statements<\/strong>. Huh? What does any of this even mean?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Verdict?<\/strong>\u00a0You could be the next subject of the TV show <em>Snapped &#8212;\u00a0<\/em>and not as the person who got killed.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2016\/01\/25\/property-management-worth-it\/\" target=\"_blank\">Premium Property Management Really IS Worth it: Here\u2019s What it Can Do For You<\/a><\/em><br \/>\nI\u2019m here to tell you:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em>Your property manager will make or break your investment property!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Because of this, don\u2019t ever keep a horrible PM on your property. At worst, have an OK\u00a0one. How do you find a phenomenal one? You just have to keep looking until you find one. Asking around on BiggerPockets is a perfect way to start, and ask any other investors you know in the area who they use and like, start calling around to all property managers\/companies you can find and start asking questions, etc. The first time I shopped for a PM, it literally took me one year to find a phenomenal one.<\/p>\n<p>What if you are on the fence about whether your PM is good or not? How do you know when to fire him?<\/p>\n<h2>Two Different Types of Bad Property Managers<\/h2>\n<p>Nobody likes working with a bad PM. It\u2019s beyond frustrating. But should you consider firing one, no matter what? Not necessarily.<\/p>\n<p>I always say, there are two types of bad property managers:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Ones that don\u2019t communicate well<\/li>\n<li>One that don\u2019t communicate well and cost you money<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I\u2019ll be the first person to tell you that a PM who sucks at communicating is one of the most frustrating things on the planet (unless you just aren\u2019t concerned with your property). But if the money is still coming in and nothing excessive is going out, I don\u2019t recommend rushing off right away to fire him and hire a new one. That does not mean you can\u2019t or shouldn\u2019t start shopping around for a new one, but you don\u2019t have to do anything crazy right away.<\/p>\n<p>One risk to consider that I have experienced with my properties is for some reason if you switch PMs in the middle of a tenant&#8217;s lease, the tenant may be tempted to believe they don\u2019t have to pay rent any longer. PM switches have cost me tenants in the past. Although that may be more prevalent with certain qualities of tenants and won\u2019t always happen, be wary.<\/p>\n<p>For the PMs who just suck at communicating, it is up to you when to get rid of them if you decide to. As long as the money is still good, consider tolerating the communication levels. However, in my experience, a PM with horrible communication ends\u00a0up costing me money every single time. Think about it &#8212; if they don\u2019t care about you, why would they care about your property?<\/p>\n<p>Now, if a PM is costing you a lot of money, that\u2019s a whole other story!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-73281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/property-management.jpg\" alt=\"property-management\" width=\"702\" height=\"336\" title=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/property-management.jpg 702w, https:\/\/www.biggerpockets.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/property-management-300x144.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 702px) 100vw, 702px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>When to Fire a Property Manager<\/h2>\n<p>No questions asked,\u00a0<em>If your property manager starts costing you money or shows signs of costing you money, fire him immediately!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This is where I have gone wrong one too many times on my properties. I\u2019m a total sucker, and I believe my PM when he tells me everything will be fine and it\u2019s all getting fixed. I\u2019m zero for about 10 with that promise. Never once has a PM of mine, when things started looking bleak and he promised it to all get fixed, ever gotten things fixed or not cost me a ton of money.<\/p>\n<p>Whatever you do, don\u2019t wait to fire a bad property manager who is costing you money! He will only continue to cost you more the longer you wait, and that is just more time for the tenant or property to go downhill, meaning more recovery costs.<\/p>\n<h2>Things to Know About Working with Property Managers<\/h2>\n<p>I\u2019m going to give you some basic tips to remember when you are working with or considering working with property managers. Also check out &#8220;<a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2013\/01\/26\/surviving-hell-property-management\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Surviving the Hell We Call Property Management<\/a>&#8221; for more details on the ins and outs and risks of property management.<\/p>\n<h3>Now, some lasting tips for you:<\/h3>\n<h3>Remember, PMs work for YOU.<\/h3>\n<p>You are their boss. You own the property; you are their boss. Don\u2019t forget this! This doesn\u2019t mean be a jerk and boss them around constantly or\u00a0micro-manage them and tell them how to do their job, but it does mean they work for you, and they should ensure you are happy (unless you are being unreasonable). If you are not happy, they don\u2019t perform, or they jerk you or your property around, FIRE THEM.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Related:<\/strong> <a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2015\/10\/09\/questions-ask-property-management\/\" target=\"_blank\">80 Smart Questions to Ask BEFORE Hiring Your Next Property Management Company<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<h3>Be Skeptical of Obligating Agreements<\/h3>\n<p>I don\u2019t believe in PM agreements that say you are obligated to have them as the PM on your property for some amount of time. No way. As I said, they work for you (essentially). You are not the one who is to be contracted into some length of time with them. That\u2019s crazy! What if they don\u2019t perform? Are you supposed to just keep them around? No!<\/p>\n<h3>Keep a Close Eye on Your PM<\/h3>\n<p>Even a phenomenal PM can go downhill. Watch for the signs. This happened to me. I had a phenomenal PM for a couple years or more, and all of the sudden, I started seeing little red flags here and there. His communication changed, and sure enough, I ended up having to fire him dramatically &#8212; and it was bad. I let him go on too long, but I had loved him for so long that I couldn\u2019t convince myself he could have turned on me. So always have an eye open.<\/p>\n<h3>Know That You Can Let Your PM Go Remotely<\/h3>\n<p>I have hired and fired property managers a few times, and every single time I have done it, I\u2019ve done it via email and phone. I\u2019ve never had to travel to my properties to handle PM hiring and firing. It can be done.<\/p>\n<p>With all of the downsides of property management exposed, I still wouldn\u2019t run\u00a0my rental properties any other way. I have had PMs cost me money, I\u2019ve had PMs test my sanity to the point of almost losing, and there have been moments where I\u2019ve wanted to strangle someone through the phone. But even with all of that, to me none of it is nearly as stressful as having to landlord the property itself. No, thank you!<\/p>\n<p>If you want to read about an instance that happened to me and reminded me why I do like property management, regardless of the drama, check out &#8220;<a href=\"\/renewsblog\/2013\/06\/29\/property-managers-being-a-landlord\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">When I Prefer Property Managers over Being a Landlord<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><em>Any property management stories out there you guys care to share? I know they are out there!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Leave your comments below!<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Oh, property management &#8212; such a love\/hate concept. 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