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Posted almost 11 years ago

City Rental Inspection Blues

 

A millimeter-wide four inch tear in a window screen got the best of me today during today’s city rental inspection in a new town. Fortunately I kept my mouth shut but have been steaming about it all day.

I have no issues with the idea of keeping a home in a safe manner. I’ve heard of horror stories from years gone by in the city of Chicago where tenants had to live in deplorable conditions at the mercy of their cheap and stingy landlords, placing more value on the almighty dollar than their tenants’ health and safety. So I get why someone thought rental inspections would be a good way to combat that.

But, the government has gone way, way to far.

We in our LLC have decided to keep our properties safe because it is the right thing to do. And, keep them a little nicer yet to attract the *better* renters. We have 4 properties now, 3 in two cities that have rental inspections.  I don’t see much point in avoiding the cities that have rental inspections since so many do and that seems to be the trend.

But the idea that we need to keep these rental properties in a better condition than our own homes, probably better than the inspectors own homes, is just absolutely ridiculous.

So this 4” screen tear I am taking about, it’s about a millimeter wide.  And it’s actually one 4” tear, then another two 1.5” tears equally wide.  I don’t think a mosquito could make its way through.  I was told I need to “repair or replace” it. And no, there are no other windows in the house the same size.  And of course this window is right by the front door, so if we patch it it’s gonna look crappy since every tenant and their guests will see it all the time.  Would any reasonable person fix this on their own house? No. We didn’t even see it. The ironic thing is we have been meaning to patch two actual holes on two other screens since we closed two weeks ago, but the inspector didn’t see those. Now I wonder if I should fix those or just leave them for something for them to find next year.

Oh, and the other kicker. This inspector must have been using new math to determine the square footage of the rooms, and gave the max occupancy 2 people less than what it should have been! On one room I questioned it since she hadn’t actually measured; she then did and said it was close enough so we could have 2 people in that bedroom instead of 1. Then I measured after she left and had no idea what math she was using!! That bedroom was definitely big enough for two people, and the master big enough for 3. Now, as a landlord, it’s not in my best interest now to cram in a bunch of people, but if you can’t do that simple aspect of your job correctly…

She detected a slight gas leak in the utility room. I have no problem with that; we thought we had smelled gas in there a couple times before in the last week and told her we were planning to have the HVAC guy look at it when he was out there cleaning the furnace (which I figured the homeowners hadn’t done since they installed the furnace in 2007. We don’t get our own furnace cleaned, but we *do* change our furnace filters every 3 months, and since I doubt renters will, I figure a cleaning every 5 yrs is warranted). Suddenly, the furnace that she had no issue with *had* to be cleaned according to her inspection sheet and receipt for work sent in to the city. What?? Lesson learned-Don’t mention any other work you plan to do, because now it’s documented and gotta be done in a 30 day window. And the fact it’s 85 degrees in Chicago and the furnace won’t be used for several months apparently makes no difference.

She tested all the outlets with one of those little $8 testers. I thought I had done that myself, maybe it was the other property that I closed on the same day. But when I asked, how could the outlet be wired wrong, she admitted it’s probably always been like that. Does any inspector test all the outlets before issuing a Certificate of Occupancy?? Doubtful.  I’ve only seem regular home inspectors test the occasional outlet around here.  So this outlet that’s been wired wrong since 1977 is suddenly an emergency that needs to be fixed in 30 days.

The only other thing found was a cracked outlet plate. That’s it. But because this list is *so* long, instead of the next inspection being two years from now, it’s one year. Really???  And seriously, I was copping *no* attitude, I was warm and friendly since I don’t think getting on an inspectors bad side is going to help.

What gets me is that there are things that seriously could cause a *real* health and/or safety problem in any house. None of which I will mention here since I don’t want to give any city inspectors who happen across this after Googling “city inspectors” any ideas. Let’s say things we were planning to check and/or take care since we do them in our own homes.

Now on to the other inspection tomorrow with an inspector I’ve met with once before for an hour and a half rental inspection of a 1100 sq ft 3 bed 1 bath crawl space home. Yes, seriously. And he didn’t go in the crawlspace.  Who then required we put backflow preventers on the hose bibs even though you don’t have to do that when you sell a house in that city! This inspector is also paranoid about renters plugging in extension cords into the ceiling outlet where the garage door opener plugs in. He said I should replace the ceiling outlet with a single port GFCI, although he won’t make me on that house since the garage door opener is so old he said it will probably trip the GFCI for no reason.  Now that I think about it, I seriously wonder if that requirement is even code on new construction anywhere!! And why was he worried about that when there were four other outlets in that one car garage?? Last thing I need is a renter on a ladder in the garage trying to reset a ceiling GFCI every other day!! I’ve looked at Menards, HD, and Lowe’s and couldn’t find a single port GFCI, and the closest version is $20! And if a renter really, really wants to plug in an extension cord into the ceiling to do some work in the garage, and really needs to use that outlet, he’ll just unplug the garage door opener first!

But now that we need to spend time and funds on other these stupid things, perhaps we should rethink our strategy and just take care of what the inspectors care about, since we are running a business over here!

So much for the point of having the rental inspections keep things *safer* for renters!

And we need to revisit our rental move-out checklist and pay attention to possible damage to items the inspectors care so much about like screens with tiny tears or cracked wallplate covers.

And I need to change my lease to include that it be mandatory that a tenant sign off for permission for the city to do their rental inspection; I don’t want to get into a situation where some jerk renter won’t sign their permission for a rental inspection, causing the LLC to be fined by the city for not having the property inspected. How that works when once I give 24 hour notice to a renter to come in they still need to sign to allow the city to inspect I do not understand. You know what, I’ll make it a POA line item on the lease for the purposes of city rental inspection only; if a renter won’t sign off on that, I don’t want them in my property!

I’d be interested in your city rental inspection stories, and if any of you are able to negotiate items…although my fear is what you negotiated away this year could be a problem next year anyway. I don’t want to say what cities specifically I am dealing with; I will say they are in the western and northwestern suburbs of Chicago.


Comments (11)

  1. $75/yr per SFR for inspections in Richardson Texas. Started out no charge, then $50, now $75. Fully expect $100 next year. I refuse to buy in these inspection cities just out of principal.


  2. OMG, Bill Wallace!


  3. Some of this is just a government revenue scam. City of Minneapolis requires a $1,000 license to convert an owner occupied property to a rental. For that you get a 1/2 hour visit from an inspector. This is in addition to the annual license.


  4. :)


  5. Kimberly H. I should send you flowers. Sorry for the craziness.


  6. Al Williamson-The costs for these rental inspections on these single family homes around here range from $100 to $300 per year.


  7. Ralph- Thanks for the advice. What was frustrating is that in both cases, I did ask what they looked for both before and when I scheduled the inspections, and the people in the community development offices didn't know. I would just get a blanket response, "They just make sure the house is safe" or whatever. For one town the third or fourth time I asked I finally got a checklist which says it's not all encompasing and of course everything that came up in the inspection wasn't on it. No reference to any codes or that they determine max occupancy. For the second cities inspection they used a checklist; had I had that first that would have helped since it lists out the areas they look at and has a "max occupancy" line. Now I know to ask in the future for any new city,"Is there a checklist the inspector uses?", "Can you give me the phone number to your head inspector?". Same goes for the city websites; there is no information anywhere there about what they look for, or that they determine max occupancy or what criteria or codes they use in their inspections. On the screens, I did have all the blinds down, she pulled them away from the windows to look at the screens but I think that helped her to find only that one stupid tear and not the other two actual holes. As far as backflow preventers, I have never heard that even come up in any residential home inspection I have ever been involved with. Our house is ten years old and our city requires a backflow preventer for sprinkler systems that needs to be checked every year. So I doubt any houses around here just automatically have backflow preventers. And what is really nuts is that in one of these two towns, they have a home sale inspection for every home sold. That guy comes in for like 15 minutes and comes up with a much shorter list of things of things to fix. Then the guy doing the rental inspection comes in and spends an hour and a half and comes up with a whole longer list. Been through that twice now. The home sale inspectors who work out of the same office as the rental inspector don't care about the same stuff the rental inspector does. And even no matter who we hire for our own personal home inspection, they don't find the same things the rental inspectors look for even though they are in the house for 3 hours. And the home inspectors come up with different stuff I've never heard the other inspectors want. It's just so fustrating. I am a member of the local Real Estate Investors Group, haven't heard this discussed there either.


  8. Kimberly H. Sister I feel your pain. We have inspections in Sacramento and I feel violated each time I write that check. Recently they backed off the $22/unit and dropped it to $16/unit to reduce their profit. I still don't feel I get an ounce of value for this money.


  9. I don't own rentals any place that requires an inspection, but I do have many years of past dealings with many inspectors. I owned a U.S.D.A. inspected meat processing plant. Sounds fancy, but it was a small Butcher shop that did many different things. We wholesaled meat, we custom cut meat for hunters, and we sold retail cuts. We had a county health inspector, a state inspector, and a federal meat inspector. The latter had an office in the shop and was onsite daily. We were constantly trying to make 3 different inspectors happy, who had 3 different ideas about what was proper procedure.. I discovered the best defense was a structured offense. By this I don't mean fight with the inspector. NEVER argue with the inspector. If he is looking for something, then we were looking for it as well. You must allow him to be the boss, but you must know all requirements, and rules as well or better than he does. Display a cooperative attitude, but also show him you know all the rules, and the violations are over sites, not ignorance, or short cuts to save money. Show eagerness to fix the screen, be glad he didn't check the slope of the roof, or go under the house and check the foundation or something. If you appear concerned over the small stuff he knows you will be thorough in making the needed repairs on the big stuff. Make repairs promptly, and Remember he HAS to find something. Never allow the inspector to inspect without an escort. You or your representative must accompany all inspections. Never let him run around by himself, or worse let him talk to the tenant without somebody else there. Inspect your self first! This means you have to know what he is looking for!! Go through the house first yourself and identify what you think may be flaws. FIX them. If I suspected a gas leak, I would have never called for an inspection until I knew it was fixed or a non issue. Meet him at the curb. I sometimes would walk or stand between the inspector and something I wasn't sure about. He would not have seen the rip in the screen If the curtain would have been pulled, and/or you were talking to him when you entered the house. Distract him when you need to. Be relaxed, be calm, and most importantly BE AWARE. You need to see the violation BEFORE he does, both in your own pre-inspection and while he is there. You have the advantage... you called him he didn't just show up like a health inspector. Never volunteer any thing. Let him look for himself. NEVER ask about something he hasn't inspected, and ALWAYS ask his opinion about a possible fix for a violation he has found. Ask them to prove the things that are black and white. I thought you could have x amount of people in this bed room because it is x amount of square feet?? Did the city change that?? If the math is wrong Say I got a different number what did I do wrong? make her show you her math. I never saw an inspector who wasn't wrapped up with himself' and his knowledge about what he is inspecting. Make him concentrate on that, not your house. Show him you are very concerned about the condition of your house, AND the well being of the tenants. Its easier to be concerned than to fight with him. Show him you know the rules. Remember he HAS to find something wrong. The screen, and the cracked outlet box are good examples. Both are cheap to fix. Let him find those things, agree he is right about the over head outlet in the garage. It can be a hazard. then say "It is beyond you why the uniform building code allows that." Now he knows you know what is going on, and he may be less likely to try to pull the wool over your eyes. He knows you are familiar with building codes, and that you know as well he probably can't force you to change it. (unless there is a separate building code for rentals??) Same thing with the back flow preventer. Back flow preventers have been required for many years in ALL construction in my state. Assuming the house has a backflow preventer in the main service line (you should know this from your own inspection, as well as what is required in a rental situation) you can say something like this: " I wasn't aware we needed multiple backflow preventers. There is already one on the main service line. Did the city change the requirement?" Asking a simple question puts the monkey back on his shoulders. He now must explain why he is requiring the extra ones. If he sticks by his guns, then you have no choice, but again he knows you are concerned that something was wrong, and you want it fixed correctly. Be cooperative, but don't let him walk on you. Make him know you are paying attention and know the rules. Bottom line the best way to survive ANY inspection is to above all... know all the rules, and the final objective as well or better than the inspector. Since you know your own property better than he does, and that gives you the edge. Ralph R


  10. Hi Carla- I am referring to cities in the suburbs, not Chicago itself. I don't know if Chicago does rental inspections. Any city can find out that homes are rentals from nosy neighbors, city inspectors seeing "For Rent" signs, or especially seeing water bill applications where they have you fill out a separate section if you are the homeowner or renter. And if the property is held by a business entity then they know it's either a rental or a house being flipped.


  11. Could you please clarify: all rentals in the city of Chicago are required to have inspections? I have a condo in the West Loop that we rent out. I got an inspection before purchse, but not before the rental itself. How does the city know what is a rental, and what is not? And how does a rental inspection get "triggered" by the City?