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Posted over 9 years ago

10.17.14 Tenant co-signer is on Hospice

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When I was writing my 2014 real estate goals, I wrote success measures as having less high cost tenant move outs and having fewer borderline tenants to manage. By those metrics, our year is shaping into an epic failure.

What has happened most recently with our non-paying tenants:

  • The boyfriend/tenant left his girlfriend and moved out of state.  I thought sex offenders had to stay in their county.
  • The remaining tenant paid $100 from her small Wal-mart paycheck toward late rent, and we accepted it, nullifying the 3 day pay or quit.
  • We e-mailed the co-signer to let her know of the issues, the amount due and how it is growing each day, and our plans. No response.
  • Our tenant says she has a roommate that wants to move in Nov 1st, but we have not received an application.
  • She also says that her boyfriend is going to send money and that her grandma (the co-signer) will give her money to keep the unit. So far no money beyond the $100.
  • She is in denial and still thinks she can afford this unit when it is quite clear that she is completely over her head.
  • Disagreement on how to proceed. I am begging Bruce to be firm that she needs to move out 10/31 or sooner, he has more compassion because the only place she can go is to a homeless shelter. If nothing happens on either side, her rental agreement expires 10/31, but no guarantee she will actually leave since she has nowhere to go.
  • Her measly deposit and the $100 covers rent through the 15th, so she is now living there for free. And that assumes the unit is in great shape at move out.
  • The kicker – Bruce phoned the co-signer grandma to discuss the situation and found out that she is in Hospice. We were at her house a month ago and she seemed perfectly healthy.  Sad for the family, but also sad for us as the safety net disintegrates.
  • But, no evidence of meth activity whatsoever.

I think it is interesting that readers jumped to the conclusion that our unit is suddenly a meth infested hazardous and ruined building. She is at most a meth user, not manufacturing or dealing, and at this point that feels like the least of our problems.

Luckily not all of our 2014 new tenants have been a train wreck. Two are meeting and exceeding our expectations and will hopefully be around for a long time. If we can get this one property settled with a better tenant we may be well posed for a better 2015.

What I’ve learned from this tenant:

  • Don’t put too much reliance on a co-signer. Don’t move forward if an applicant doesn’t have most of the move in money, and don’t use the co-signer as an excuse to be more lenient.
  • Be very leery of applicants with new jobs. My screening scoring system already takes off points if an applicant has had their job less than three months, and grants points if they have had their job for over a year. Someone with no rental history and a new job have no clue about what it costs to run a household.
  • Resolving differences with Bruce when we are so far apart on the best course of action is very stressful. He clearly has better rapport with our tenants, but it is so hard to wait, to know how this is probably going to end, and to stay objective.


Comments (6)

  1. @Michele Fischer 

    I am considering adding "no boyfriend/Girlfriend" unless bound by strong bond circumstances such as "baby on the way and planning for an upcoming wedding" etc to my list of do not rent factors. In my first 2 years of renting I have had 3 move outs. 2 were bf/gf breakups that ended end death threats ; abuse ; etc and these are on high end rentals. I got notified of one of these today. The bf (co-signer) is sending death threats to the gf ; she moved out scared for her life and filed a restraining order.

    I have no clue how to proceed from a legality standpoint in terms of moving on and what protected rights (if any) the bf has to stay if he wants. Ugh


    1. Wow, @Westin Hudnall , sounds like a mess.  We've had domestic violence issues, but we normally just need to change locks for the victim.  This is the second tenant we've had where a couple got a place then the guy split.  And of course they fight to make ends meet from there on out.

      I think you need to be careful about discriminating on marital status; you could come across as a conservative that only wants to rent to married people.  What might be more defendable is not renting to people who have not lived together prior for some amount of time, whether it be boyfriend/girlfriend, sisters, friends, etc.  

      If our tenants are not married, we have this clause in our agreement.  If one applicant has higher income we designate them; if they are about equal, we let them decide at signing.

      In the event that Tenants decide they no longer want to live together, ___________ will be considered the primary Tenant to make decisions about modifying or terminating tenancy. Deposits will not be returned (full or partial) until all tenants move out.


  2. @Michele Fischer 

    We deal predominately with students and young professionals, but have one building which is working class (and down).   This clientele has been a new adventure for us, full of unanticipated events ... if these folks could apply their creativity in a positive manner, they would be much better off financially.

    I frequently stop to reflect on your handling of tenants:  "What would Michele do" ... by the time you are through this one, I'll have a vicarious life lesson upon which I can draw when our turn comes.

    Since Bruce has the rapport with the tenants, task him to convince her she needs to move.


    1. @Roy N. , it's amazing how quickly and consistently you jump into my conversations, I love it!  Thank you for the encouragement, I really appreciate it.  I need to convince Bruce that she needs to move so he can convince her that she needs to move.  Thinking this may be a good situation for cash for keys.  Have a great weekend!


    2. @Roy N. and @Michele Fischer 

      I hear ya! Dealing with the tenant who is in denial about the reality of their situation... Some things I've tried to send the message "it's over", although not always successful in getting the results I wanted, but perhaps Bruce could try these:

      Say it simply: 

      *"This isn't working for us."

      *"If you can't pay, you can't stay."

      *"Let's talk about a move-out plan."

      *"It is time for you to move; please choose a better path for yourself than eviction."

      *"If you do (or don't do)  __________, we will do ___________ on this date."

      Give them information: 

      * Rent late letter that restates the rental agreement terms, the current amount owed, and what will happen if they don't pay rent on time. 

      * Information sheet about ideas of how to round up the money they need to pay for rent.

      * Two page "Eviction Timeline" for Washington State that I printed from the Tenant's Union website. 

      * List of resources that I printed from the Council for the Homeless website-- lists all of the charities, shelters, etc. in Clark County - available resources just south of you. Let the tenant know they don't have to go this alone... encourage them to reach out to community resources.

      Make it tangible: 

      * Set a large garbage can outside their unit and line it with 3 mil thick garbage bags (put a few at the bottom of the can and one liner in place). Let the tenant know as they fill the bags with garbage you will be glad to help them out by disposing of them. 

      *Bring them moving boxes (obtained from local grocery stores prior to their breaking them down).

      (I might post this in a forum and see what other ideas we can generate!)


      1. Love this, Marcia, had Bruce read your thread.  Thanks for sharing and starting the discussion!