Cash On Cash Return Question
6 Replies
Bill Sobol
posted 6 months ago
My first property I am looking into after reading the Rental Property Investing Book. I don't have a huge budget. I am looking at a house in Pennsylvania. The price I would be getting it for is $115k. I am putting 20% down and would get a mortgage rate under 3.5%. After taking into account mortgage, closing costs, minor repairs, taxes, hoa fees, cap expenses, vacancy rate, misc fees my cash on cash is almost 20%. That seems very high and almost to good to be true but I think I covered all the basis. Any advice? Is it not as good as I'm thinking?
Evan Polaski
from Cincinnati, OH
replied 6 months ago
The big one you are missing is a management fee and leasing commissions. Of course, if you plan on self managing, that is not an expense line item, but when you are comparing to other potential investments, i.e. syndication deals or even stock market plays, you are not doing the work, so for a true apples to apples, you need to account for this in your returns.
Darius Ogloza
Investor from Marin County California
replied 6 months ago
It would be easier to help analyze if you included the basic information such as rents and all expenses.
Bill Sobol
replied 6 months ago
Thank you both for the reply. I plan of self managing. Its recently renovated doesn't need much now. Didn't know how much numbers to put.
Price $115k.
20% down: $23,000
Mortgage: 3.5% (Think I'll get lower) $413
Closing Costs: $1500
Repairs: $500
Rent: $1400
HOA: $100
Taxes: $205
Insurance: $85
Cap Expense: $90
Vacancy 5%: $70
Gives me about 20% cap
Lucheo Tombini
Investor from Chicago, IL
replied 6 months ago
I would include 10% for management even if you're managing yourself.
That would give you an NOI (roughly) of $297x12= $3,564 and Cash on cash of about 14%. Still very good. Are you sure repairs are only $500? If so, it looks like a good opportunity.
Darius Ogloza
Investor from Marin County California
replied 6 months ago
Your denominator is $25,000 (down payment, closing costs and repairs upon acquisition)
You numerator is rent less the remaining expenses ($1,400 - $963) = $437 x 12 = $5,244
I would adjust vacancy and capex to about $250 (from $160) so $347 x 12 = $4,164.
Is this a SFR? Is the rent amount actual or projected? if the latter, projected by whom? How does it compare to nearby rents?
Bill Sobol
replied 6 months ago
Lucheo...yes I am sure. I am in the plumbing industry and all looks good. Roof was just done 3 months ago. Paint is clean. All plumbing if needed, I have a colleague up there. Heat is electric baseboard. Place is really move in ready.
Darius Thank you: rent is based on the agent and other sources I've verified. Possibly get $1450.