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Cory Dessauer
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inflated natural gas bills?

Cory Dessauer
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  • Cincinnati , OH
Posted Jul 3 2018, 10:47
So first 4 family property owner here. I purchased last month and just got my first electric and gas bill. Let's just say wallet shock doesnt cover it. To break down the tldr, apparently I used 23.59 in gas last month (44 ccf). that's all fine and dandy, but the 134.45 they charged me in delivery charges for the gas alone seems a bit absurd. I've already spoke to many people at the utility company, AMD they are saying this is justifiable and right. my question is, is this the norm, should I just suck it up? or do I have any recourse other than replace everything with electric? They insist it must be charged at a significantly higher business rate because I have hallways between the units.

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Aaron K.
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Aaron K.
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Replied Jul 3 2018, 10:52

It depends on your climate, you might do an energy audit or just switch to electric, it doesn't seem too out of line for four units though $35 ish dollars per month depending on the size of the unit and how much they use the climate control.

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Caleb Heimsoth
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Caleb Heimsoth
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Replied Jul 3 2018, 11:08

My single family rental in Cleveland is probably 100 bucks a month in gas during the winter

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Cory Dessauer
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Cory Dessauer
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Replied Jul 3 2018, 18:16
this is summer time. basically I'm paying 158 bucks a month to run a water heater. I figured switching to electric would be my best option. the feesareahats killing. Im paying 570% of the cost of the received gas to receive the gas.

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Mike McCarthy
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Mike McCarthy
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Replied Jul 3 2018, 18:21

Is the gas usage reasonable? Could there be a leak or something wrong with the way the meter was read? Maybe estimated instead of read?

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Replied Nov 26 2021, 16:20
Originally posted by @Cory Dessauer:
this is summer time. basically I'm paying 158 bucks a month to run a water heater. I figured switching to electric would be my best option. the feesareahats killing. Im paying 570% of the cost of the received gas to receive the gas.

has anything changed with your situation? im thinking of buying a house that uses gas.

sidenote: im the type of guy who can live in a cold house. i just need a lil hat and some a warm joggers. ill even go as far as wearing long johns. f that heat. a better alternative is to buy yourself a crypto miner. them things make so much heat. theyre just loud. too loud.

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Replied Nov 27 2021, 12:42
Originally posted by @Eron A.:
Originally posted by @Cory Dessauer:
this is summer time. basically I'm paying 158 bucks a month to run a water heater. I figured switching to electric would be my best option. the feesareahats killing. Im paying 570% of the cost of the received gas to receive the gas.

has anything changed with your situation? im thinking of buying a house that uses gas.

sidenote: im the type of guy who can live in a cold house. i just need a lil hat and some a warm joggers. ill even go as far as wearing long johns. f that heat. a better alternative is to buy yourself a crypto miner. them things make so much heat. theyre just loud. too loud.

Gas is critical for 2 things these days: larger tankless water heaters and higher quality stoves. Otherwise, electric can work very well. 

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Replied Nov 27 2021, 13:17
Originally posted by @Dallas Hayden:
Originally posted by @Eron A.:
Originally posted by @Cory Dessauer:
this is summer time. basically I'm paying 158 bucks a month to run a water heater. I figured switching to electric would be my best option. the feesareahats killing. Im paying 570% of the cost of the received gas to receive the gas.

has anything changed with your situation? im thinking of buying a house that uses gas.

sidenote: im the type of guy who can live in a cold house. i just need a lil hat and some a warm joggers. ill even go as far as wearing long johns. f that heat. a better alternative is to buy yourself a crypto miner. them things make so much heat. theyre just loud. too loud.

Gas is critical for 2 things these days: larger tankless water heaters and higher quality stoves. Otherwise, electric can work very well. 

 Can you say more? Why do you say its critical for those things?

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Gail K.
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Gail K.
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Replied Nov 27 2021, 13:24

When gas got deregulated in many areas of the country (quite a few years ago) many were happy because now they had a wide variety of companies to go with as their source of gas.  The problem is that many of the lines bringing gas INTO properties are still owned by the original company and they take their cut of the cost via what they often describe as a "pass through" charge.

I recently had gas turned on at a property we were selling as required for the inspection.  It was still warm here in Georgia so no need for extra heat and the gas was used only during the inspection.  Charged for turn on (of course) which is handled by the original company that still has the contract to do this.  Final bill received showed 3/4's of the charges were for "pass through".

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Replied Nov 27 2021, 15:21
Originally posted by @Eron A.:
Originally posted by @Dallas Hayden:
Originally posted by @Eron A.:
Originally posted by @Cory Dessauer:
this is summer time. basically I'm paying 158 bucks a month to run a water heater. I figured switching to electric would be my best option. the feesareahats killing. Im paying 570% of the cost of the received gas to receive the gas.

has anything changed with your situation? im thinking of buying a house that uses gas.

sidenote: im the type of guy who can live in a cold house. i just need a lil hat and some a warm joggers. ill even go as far as wearing long johns. f that heat. a better alternative is to buy yourself a crypto miner. them things make so much heat. theyre just loud. too loud.

Gas is critical for 2 things these days: larger tankless water heaters and higher quality stoves. Otherwise, electric can work very well. 

 Can you say more? Why do you say its critical for those things?

Tankless water heaters run only on-demand and require a tremendous amount of power to heat water quickly. Even smaller electric ones can require multiple 40a breakers. Once you approach 10 gpm electric power demands would be prohibitive for standard residential electric services. 

Who wants to pay top dollar for a culinary grade electric stove when gas is available? Electric doesn't cook as well. 

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Jai Reddy
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Replied Nov 27 2021, 20:43

@Dallas Hayden

Electric induction cooks well, faster than gas, more efficient.

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Maurice D.
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Replied Nov 28 2021, 09:38

Depends on the area.  Class D,F should be all electric to minimize fire risks (leaving stove on etc) a Class A properly might expect a gas stove. B probably goes either way.

Sidebar, for an airbnb I opted to install a gas tankless, in order to save energy when the property is vacant.  this was before NG went up.