Tiny homes, cottages and pocket neighborhoods.

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Medium 1399575195 avatar buylandonline Stu Holbrook
Real Estate Investor from Portland, OR
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Stu Holbrook

Real Estate Investor from Portland, Oregon

Oct 19 '11, 10:19 AM

Recently I have become excited with finding affordable options for comfortable and practical living. Tumbleweed Tiny Homes jumped out as did designers like Ross Chapin Architect. I think the growing demographic of older Americans, empty nesters and other individuals and couples would be thrilled to not have to rent, share space, or pay larger utility bills and maintain a space larger than needed. I am coming at this as a land owner. I have lots all over the U S - my question is this , how truly affordable are they? How do they compare to top end mobile homes for example?

Medium 1399472294 avatar mikeytm Mike Morrison
Contractor from Woodlands, TX
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Mike Morrison

Contractor from Woodlands, Texas

Oct 19 '11, 11:46 AM

Stu, I've taken a hard look at < 800 sq.ft. affordable housing. First, demographics of the location play a huge part in costing out a project. From my research, I've found this sort of housing is best for 1-2 people max. Next, is the local building codes. Some are so restrictive development is not possible. What I have found is about $30k is avg. for the structure. Plumbing, septic systems increase the sq.ft. cost.
It's a great concept. Look at TinyTexas Houses.com this is an example of the high end unit.

Stu Holbrook

Real Estate Investor from Portland, Oregon

Oct 19 '11, 03:05 PM

Thanks Mike, I took a look, Tiny Texas designs remind me of the old Frontierland at Disneyland, a real wild west feel with the corrugated metal roofs and the interiors. I think the Tumbleweed Tiny Homes have a wider appeal. Since my last post I looked into cottage design via architects, <1300 sq ft, contractors given latitude will render the project over priced it seems. The kit homes seem to be about 25% the total cost in materials and labor. Still looking for feedback regarding manufactured/mobile homes.

Medium 1409867626 avatar ownerbuilder Ron Czecholinski
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Ron Czecholinski

Real Estate Investor from Asheville, North Carolina

Mar 02 '12, 08:28 PM

I have been interested in this type of project for several years and trying to put a small development together in Asheville, NC. I have great property with seller finiancing, the zoning works, and the market is there - but I haven't been able to but the initial cash together for building the first house.

As far as manufactured homes - I don't think there is any comparison and the market is completely different.

Medium 1399766637 avatar yellopippi Beka Shea
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Beka Shea

Investor from Elverson, PA

Dec 27 '15, 07:23 PM

Did either of you move forward with your tiny home dreams?  I've been enamored with the concept for years, and I'm just starting to think about how to make it a reality.  Portland and Seattle are incredibly friendly toward it, but over here in PA, I'm not so sure.  Ross Chapin is my idol, and I see a lot of potential for empty-nester communities.  Just thought I'd check and see what you found!

Medium 1412209793 avatar brighterdays Karen Margrave
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Brokers-Developers-Licensed G.C. from Orange County, California

Dec 27 '15, 11:49 PM

It definitely depends on the area, and how receptive they are to the concept. One of the major hurdles is finding land that is zoned for a high enough density that it can make sense. Also, the cost of permits, utilities, and other infrastructure required. Many areas also require attached garages, etc. which starts pushing costs out of control. 

I too love the Ross Chapin designs. I looked at them for a property I own in Redding, when I was thinking of doing a Vacation rental type use, but the County wouldn't allow it (even though I have 20 acres) 

There's so many different types of manufactured housing these days, from the simple manufactured to the more upscale Stillwater Dwellings, etc. 

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Medium 1411948565 avatar ncolli2 Neal Collins
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Neal Collins

Entrepreneur & Property Manager from Portland, Oregon

Dec 28 '15, 10:48 AM

There is definitely a proliferation of tiny homes on the West coast. Can't say about other areas. We were looking into them and the "models" we were leaning towards were between $30k and $60k.

Pocket neighborhoods are great though. Definitely some of the better planned community models. As others have mentioned, zoning is the prohibitive aspect. There are some great pocket neighborhoods that I've seen out in the country that retirees built as a co-op, but haven't seen a successful tiny house + pocket neighborhood concept executed personally. Apparently Portland has a tiny house neighborhood for low income population but could be wrong about that.

Medium 1451061457 avatar 1dcline David C.
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David C.

Investor from Hillsboro, Oregon

Dec 29 '15, 05:58 PM

For the Portland folk you might check out the tiny home hotel/motel kinda thing on Alberta right being the grilled cheese grill bus. It's rather cool, they are in kind of in a circle not on foundations and rented per night. I've been wanting to stay a night and check out what it would be like to stay in a space that small. Seems like a fun and profitable concept just waiting for the masses. Might be a great way to help the Portland low income citizens as well as making a buck.

Ron Czecholinski

Real Estate Investor from Asheville, North Carolina

Dec 29 '15, 06:25 PM
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I got my project off the ground but it is more of a small house pocket neighborhood with 11 houses planned between 800 and 1500 sq. ft. The second house is under construction, the third went to permitting today and the fourth is in the planning stage. The project is rated high in green building certifications and I am also focused on the relational aspects of an "intentional neighborhood".

There are many issues to consider for smaller houses. As mentioned, building and zoning codes are difficult to get around, high density is required to make financial sense and, practically, I think interest is more around peoples desire to simplify their life than to live in a very small space.

That said, I would like to try a project with houses in the 400 to 700 range, and maybe a few tiny's included. I am in Asheville, NC with a fairly progressive and reasonable planning department. They put together a "cottage development" ordinance 5 or 6 years ago to encourage more sustainable development.

Medium 1451449194 avatar chriss117 Chris Sukala
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Chris Sukala

from Belvidere, Illinois

Dec 29 '15, 07:18 PM
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I have always thought a community with tiny homes that has their own convenience store and only can be accessed by golf carts would be neat. Something with a community center including, pool, exercise room, etc.

No avatar medium Bernee Brawn
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Bernee Brawn

from Saint James City, Florida

Jan 12, 04:58 AM

I am new to the Bigger Pockets community and developing a pocket neighborhood is one of the reasons I  joined. I also found Ross Chapin and love his concepts of building small communities. 

I am in SW Florida and believe it's an ideal area for these homes. Finding information on feasibility has been difficult however. But, there is a town in the Florida east coast that is in the beginning stages of one! Rockledge has just approved a pocket community that will also include a small amount of THOW's. Here is their Facebook page with contact information. 

The way one person got this done is interesting and shows how a little imagination and thinking outside of the box might be able to make it happen.

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