Recommended Real Estate Syndications with Bay Area Office?
Hi,
I am currently looking into Real Estate Syndications as I'm looking for more passive cash flow. I'd want them to have an office in the Bay Area, so I can drop by and chat.
The following names have popped up in my search.
- Praxis Capital
- Grocapitus
Has anyone worked with either of these?
If so, can you talk a little about the deals and how they handled a deal that went sour? If you aren't, can you explain who you have worked with? Also, if you have also had a deal that went sour or if there was a capital call or dilution of the original investment.
Would love to also hear about what to expect? How to "run the numbers" for these kind of deals?
Thank you
@Brian Burke from Praxis is very active on the forums and recently released a book through BP, The Hands-off Investor. If you search his name and Praxis on the forums that may help!
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Praxis is one to check out.. dont know the other all though I have heard of them.. you might want to see if you can use the search functions on this site to see some of the threads on Grocapitus a few i read were well kind of spirited..
Thank you @Jay Hinrichs.
After some searching I found this which doesn't speak highly of them: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...
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Quote from @Jason Riddle:
Thank you @Jay Hinrichs.
After some searching I found this which doesn't speak highly of them: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...
two sides to every story of course I dont know them .. just remembered the name.. I met the owner at a J. Martin Event in Oakland I was speaking at.. Brian Burke was there as well.
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:I will not make the same mistake again. If others have different experience that's fine, but i will not brake it again.
Quote from @Jason Riddle:
Thank you @Jay Hinrichs.
After some searching I found this which doesn't speak highly of them: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...
two sides to every story of course I dont know them .. just remembered the name.. I met the owner at a J. Martin Event in Oakland I was speaking at.. Brian Burke was there as well.
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If you are ever in the Santa Barbara area, let me know we have an office there
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Hi,
I am currently looking into Real Estate Syndications as I'm looking for more passive cash flow. I'd want them to have an office in the Bay Area, so I can drop by and chat.
The following names have popped up in my search.- Praxis Capital
- Grocapitus
Has anyone worked with either of these?
If so, can you talk a little about the deals and how they handled a deal that went sour? If you aren't, can you explain who you have worked with? Also, if you have also had a deal that went sour or if there was a capital call or dilution of the original investment.
Would love to also hear about what to expect? How to "run the numbers" for these kind of deals?
Thank you
Grocapitus does not publish any address. You cannot talk to them after you give money, unless they want to talk to you. So that probably does not meet your criteria.
I invested with them in 1/2021 and in another fund of theirs this spring. I have been happy with the experience to date and the level/quality of communication. If you are interested in understanding the numbers I would second the recommendation to read The Hand's off Investor by Brian Burke from Praxis.
Chris
I did end up going with Praxis, but one thing I struggle with is they give A LOT of information. Like 5-7 PDFs where each PDF ranges from 10-50 pages. I've started reading The Hand's off Investor (disclaimer, not yet finished with the book) which is originally why I reached out to them. My question to you is how do you evaluate their large MFH deals, especially when they can add properties to it over time? I'm familiar with how to analyze CoC and IRR for SFH and MFH(1-4), but large commercial (100-200+ units) leaves me feeling overwhelmed with analysis paralysis.
I know the feeling well. It's one of the differences between a single property investment and a fund of several properties investment. A few things I have heard often cited from several others about choosing a syndication investment.
1. Choose the operator first
2. Choose the deal second
3. No investment comes out exactly as anticipated, some do better than that others do worse
I look at a few things for my comfort level starting with item #1 above. Then how much leverage is involved , the debt being used, how conservative does the underwriting look. Do you believe in the overall thesis regarding the demographics and employment data which you can get elsewhere as well to validate. I could try to analyze everything to death and drive myself crazy and still be wrong. I wouldn't say that I take leaps of faith but there are just a handful of big picture items that I look to try and evaluate my comfort level with the risk involved. I am never going to understand all the in's and out's as well as a well chosen operator with a long track record. In some ways it's like choosing any other professional. I probably have a slightly better understanding of the risk in choosing a syndication than I do of choosing my CPA, Doctor or Dentist.
@Jason Riddle hope your investment search is going smoothly. I know the syndication world can be a lot to maneuver with all of the information thrown at you. If you have any questions I am always happy to hop on a call and help you out. Good luck!
Talking with the operator is a waste of time... its everything you want to hear. Plus its just trained sales people if they are some what institutional instead of a new operator. Focus on meeting purely passive accredited investors... that is where you will find the real scoops.
@Jason Riddle Real estate syndications are a great way to generate passive income. The biggest challenge is finding quality operators - I think narrowing your search so drastically by only looking at operators in your area will significantly reduce the number of opportunities and the quality of the opportunities. Lucky for you, Praxis Capital is close to you and they are an excellent operator and @Brian Burke's book is THE must read book for anyone investing in syndications.
I would recommend you branch out - these days you don't need to meet someone in person to evaluate them as an operator. I would also say if you are thinking of investing $50,000 or $100,000 with someone it is not a bad idea to fly out and go visit them - it doesn't need to be someone close to you geographically.
Everyone has different options about how to find great sponsors. I am on version three of how I find sponsors and I have vastly improved the process since I started. The first way I found sponsors was by attending a seminar. I had a roll over self-directed IRA burning a whole in my pocket and I tried to give money to every operator I met - not a good plan. Some of those deals worked out and some were not so great. So I moved on to my next phase where I read books and listened to podcasts and I would hear an operator and give them a call. I had better results with this approach - but I still didn't know if they were just good podcaster/marketer or if they were actually a good operator. Then I moved to my next approach and this is what I do now - I use my passive investing Community. I only invest in a new operator if they are introduced to me by someone in my Community who I know, like and trust AND that person has already invested with the operator. I still do all of the same due diligence, but I am starting from a place of trust - and trust transfers. My results have been much better with this approach.
I think if you are going to commit any amount of capital to syndication investing, the operator is the most important part of your analysis and decision and limiting yourself to an operator in your area will limit your ability to diversify and to discover multiple quality operators. I would also recommend joining a Community so you can learn from others, share ideas, share quality operators and leverage the success of others.
