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Ryan Proffit
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Private lending agreement and tax implications

Ryan Proffit
  • Saint Joseph, MO
Posted Sep 15 2019, 15:00

Hello team,

My partner and I are currently trying to purchase a value add 8 plex. Our banker will let us do 80/20. We are currently at 15%. I recently found a family member willing to loan us the other 5%. I was thinking of paying her simple interest of 8% yearly. She would be loaning us around 20k. She currently is on social security and takes 1300 per month from her retirement portfolio. My question is, how will this affect her taxes? I want to make sure this is a good deal for her. Thanks for any help or advice you can give. Let me know if more info is needed.

Ryan.

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Saravanan Saravanan
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Replied Sep 15 2019, 15:04

@Ryan Proffit

From my understanding of your questions; this would be treated as 1099-INT income; like bank interest income.

Disclaimer: I am not licensed planner or any other licensed financial professional. This is not to be treated as legal advice

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David de Luna
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Replied Sep 15 2019, 16:30

If you 1099 her the interest expense and she reports it on her 1040 then it's treated as ordinary income.

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Replied Sep 15 2019, 19:16

To clarify, if you 1099 her then she is obligated to report it on her 1040 since the act of doing so is to report it to the IRS who will then be looking to see it on her 1040. I am aware there are some circumstances whereby you are not obligated to 1099 someone, but I defer to your tax professional for counsel on that. 

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Ryan Proffit
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Replied Sep 15 2019, 20:16

@David de Luna thank you. I also need to figure out how much she will owe in taxes for taking it out of her account. I want to make sure she makes some money.

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Basit Siddiqi
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Replied Sep 24 2019, 13:23

@Ryan Proffit

You may or may not be required to provide her a 1099-INT.
Not everyone is required to do so.

Interest income is subject to federal and state income taxes.
If her only other income is social security, standard deduction may be enough to wipe out all her taxable income.

I know the person is a family member, but be wary on providing tax advice as you may not know everything about her taxes.

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Andy Mirza
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Replied Sep 24 2019, 14:12

@Ryan Proffit Is she taking this out of a retirement account subject to penalties for early withdrawal? If so, the penalty is 10% plus any gains that are withdrawn are taxed at regular income rates. If it's a return of principal, there is nothing more than the 10% penalty.

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Ryan Proffit
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Replied Sep 24 2019, 16:32

@Andy Mirza she is 67, it is a brokerage account. It was moved out of her 401k

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Replied Sep 24 2019, 21:30

Ryan I borrowed some cash from my mother in law at 2%. (I got a family discount on the rate). Initially it was used to buy a house my wife and I lived in, and we provided her a 1099 for the interest. I suggested I reimburse her for the tax she would have paid on the interest for the year, but she said she would have been taxed on it sitting in her account the same amount. 

In your case it seems to me that the $1600 income for the year would maybe be $200 in additional taxes? I don't know how the IRS does their voodoo with numbers, and every case is vastly different. Just my best guess for you and probably nowhere near accurate.

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Ryan Proffit
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Replied Sep 27 2019, 10:47

@Michael King thank you!